tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post1862168428277684185..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Eisenberg vs. Damon? The Youngest Best Actor Nominees!NATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-82299422679330333212010-10-18T00:45:40.600-04:002010-10-18T00:45:40.600-04:00What a REALLY interesting post. Cool Idea! What ab...What a REALLY interesting post. Cool Idea! What about Leonardo DiCaprio (born 11/11/74) for his incedible Oscar-nominated role in "What's Eating Gilbert Grape" (1993) at age 19 ???Jason Cuthbertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-33383877729523327712010-10-15T08:32:38.476-04:002010-10-15T08:32:38.476-04:00//our final chart is a particularly revealing exam...//our final chart is a particularly revealing example of the age differential between best actor and best actress. So, there have only been nine best actor NOMINEES under the age of 36, yet eight of the last 10 best actress WINNERS are under that age!//<br /><br />@Mike - that's the statement that really makes my head hurt (oy). Or rather, my heart, but it was exactly what was on my mind when I started reading this post - how is it that youth is a handicap for Best Actor but not Actress, and vice-versa re: maturity?Janicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049113750769117163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-25210915740554728412010-10-14T23:27:22.763-04:002010-10-14T23:27:22.763-04:00anon 7:05 -- well, they matter to the Academy whic...anon 7:05 -- well, they matter to the Academy which publishes the top ten list. (and uses the actual date of nomination) I was merely expanding from 10. But if he gets nominated, the Academy will change their statistical data because they go by nomination date.<br /><br />volvagia -- i'm sorry. but what are we talking about? I don't mind a tangent here and there but this is very confusing... especially because you haven't seen the movie... and especially because 90% of cinema anywhere is fluff. What's more, who says fluff has to be <i>shallow</i>? The words aren't necessarily synonymous though they can be. <br /><br />I also don't think directors would appreciate you changing their nationalities <i>for them</i> by some arbitrary 5 year rule ;)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-18336604374481725272010-10-14T21:04:10.379-04:002010-10-14T21:04:10.379-04:00On average, don't expect deep statements from ...On average, don't expect deep statements from ANY commercial film, regardless of nationality.<br /><br /> That's my basic problem with your thesis, Volvagia. From commercial films, as a rule, expecting "deep philosophy" is rather foolish. What's the most popular commercial cinema in the world? India's. And it's mostly fluff.<br /><br /> But even that's being reductive. And you're gonna have to explain to me your remarks on There Will Be Blood, please, because they make no sense to me.Arkaannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-22712019591802638082010-10-14T19:05:05.152-04:002010-10-14T19:05:05.152-04:00Damon was born a few days later in October than Ei...Damon was born a few days later in October than Eisenberg though. But should nomination dates really matter? Generally, the Oscars take place around the same time every year so I'd say we just use their birthdate as the measure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1926612030354346132010-10-14T18:29:22.554-04:002010-10-14T18:29:22.554-04:00I was saying: On average, don't expect deep st...I was saying: On average, don't expect deep statements from American film. Is it invalid? If you think you need to see any specific movie to make a GENERAL statement, than, yeah, you're COMPLETELY CORRECT. (FF Coppola was maybe the ONLY director who UNCONFUSEDLY AS AN AMERICAN (By the time Kubrick did his most probing stuff (Dr. Strangelove and beyond at the very least (Paths of Glory is not a deep exploration of the issue: it's a puddle deep, undeniably liberal diatribe), he was on the path to becoming British), consistently tried to explore his topics on a deeper level. (I also count Hitchcock's post '43 works as AMERICAN films.)) I'm sorry I temporarily forgot The Godfather movies, but There Will Be Blood still kind of contains one of those "American shallowness" earmarks I was trying to group together. (Bowling balls and "I drink your milkshake" means: Do the math.) And, yeah: Charlie Wilson's War was painfully shallow, because it conflated the already shallow Mike Nichols with Aaron Sorkin, and from that I could still tell what his two big influences were: Hecht and Albee. Except he seems quite a bit more shallow than either of those (And it's not like either of those is F. Scott Fitzgerald good to begin with). Fun, but I couldn't think enough about anything it presented other than the painful moments of shallowness even the day after.Volvagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-18324210564912494002010-10-14T17:43:54.533-04:002010-10-14T17:43:54.533-04:00At the time of Jackie Cooper's nomination AMPA...At the time of Jackie Cooper's nomination AMPAS was not giving the Juvenile Performer special Oscars. That started 3 years later with Shirley Temple. And, who knows, maybe they did it BECAUSE they did not want the same situation to repeat itself.<br />By the way, I believe they should have a Best Juvenile Performance category now, even though TRULY outstanding performances HAVE been nominated... The age limit would remain to be decided. Males or females. All in the same single category.<br />Every year there are at least five performances that are deserving. This year -- and these are only the girls/teenagers: Saorsie Ronan, Elle Fanning, Hailee Steinfeld, and maybe Bailee Madison in Conviction?Marcos Celesiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10951844034983563985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-13485519215326822142010-10-14T12:26:02.690-04:002010-10-14T12:26:02.690-04:00Wow, Volvagia, such big statements from someone wh...Wow, Volvagia, such big statements from someone who hasn't even seen the movie. Way to render your own opinion invalid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-8549439025132782032010-10-14T09:13:46.675-04:002010-10-14T09:13:46.675-04:00Don't ever apologize - I LOVE Oscar trivia!!!Don't ever apologize - I LOVE Oscar trivia!!!Philomenanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-78947392741352529452010-10-13T20:26:36.028-04:002010-10-13T20:26:36.028-04:00And don't get me started on the work done by t...And don't get me started on the work done by the best of American television.Arkaannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35789634434454448912010-10-13T20:25:15.298-04:002010-10-13T20:25:15.298-04:00Few films have probed the shift in American values...Few films have probed the shift in American values as beautifully as The Godfather II.<br /><br /> There Will Be Blood was noteworthy in it's exploration of unyielding capitalism.<br /><br /> I think The Social Network is a little shallow, but that's because it's an Aaron Sorkin movie. Not because it's an American movie.Arkaannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1064285764468499572010-10-13T20:20:29.244-04:002010-10-13T20:20:29.244-04:00Great list. That Orson Welles was in his 20s when...Great list. That Orson Welles was in his 20s when he made Citizen Kane really staggered me.Mattnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-90707730170588762262010-10-13T19:16:54.289-04:002010-10-13T19:16:54.289-04:00I didn't mean that being about money means sha...I didn't mean that being about money means shallow. Instead, I was trying to comment on the fact that Plate Smashing Anger Binges are one POTENTIAL sign of a shallow movie. And one more thing: Shallow doesn't mean awful. It just means it's something you can't really chew on or think about for too long. I haven't seen Ths Social Network yet, but something tells me it's just another typical well-made American movie. (Not deep, like Rublev or 8 1/2, but well made and well acted.) All I'm saying is: Don't expect world shaking, succesfully probing and/or deeply philosophical movies from America that often. (The last one on either count from a director I'd associate as American on the time of release was, on last count, It's a Wonderful Life. (2001 almost made it, until I realised I count a director as not of their country of birth anymore after 5 years of living in another country (Kubrick moved to Britain 5 years before finishing 2001.))) Just go in expecting entertainment and speedy execution. If a great movie by an American director delivers more than just a smile on your face, pounding adrenaline or a mood of cheap nihilism, I congratulate you.Volvagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-61224323284635272092010-10-13T18:19:22.107-04:002010-10-13T18:19:22.107-04:00I would love to be nominated for an Oscar. it'...<i>I would love to be nominated for an Oscar. it's my secret, secret dream.</i><br /><br />Derreck over at IMDB a person has for their signature: “If Sandra Bullock can win an Oscar so can I.”/3rtfu11noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-72525461228516091362010-10-13T18:11:55.788-04:002010-10-13T18:11:55.788-04:00Currently in shock at how Actressexual I am --- be...Currently in shock at how Actressexual I am --- because men in front of the camera are so boring./3rtfu11noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-32032463294652533132010-10-13T15:48:57.339-04:002010-10-13T15:48:57.339-04:00Volvagia, seriously, what are you talking about? B...Volvagia, seriously, what are you talking about? Because a movie is about a person with money (although Zuckerberg only became wealthy after the movie's timeline ended), it's shallow? How does that make any sense at all?Liznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-27907288263536391402010-10-13T15:13:31.535-04:002010-10-13T15:13:31.535-04:00God, no. Andrew Garfield was very good, but also i...God, no. Andrew Garfield was very good, but also in that Carey Mulliganish way. Most his appeal comes off being excessively cute and vulnerable so that you just want to reach out and cuddle him. At this point his performance is, imo, on the veeeerge of being a little overrated.<br /><br />To say that Eisenberg just "plays the asshole" is magnificently simplified.cicinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-11382329884529617302010-10-13T15:00:31.550-04:002010-10-13T15:00:31.550-04:00Volvagia is SO random.Volvagia is SO random.cal rothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-58402591277533714332010-10-13T13:44:22.715-04:002010-10-13T13:44:22.715-04:00It's funny how Nicholson is not on that list a...It's funny how Nicholson is not on that list and still managed to break the male record.James Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16055933146552583102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-44700740100423329742010-10-13T13:06:44.564-04:002010-10-13T13:06:44.564-04:00Nah, Garfield's subtlety is awesome. All the ...Nah, Garfield's subtlety is awesome. All the roles are underwritten, but the flaws in Eisenberg's characterization hinder the film a little more, imo.Arkaannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-50853172849471889632010-10-13T13:04:13.665-04:002010-10-13T13:04:13.665-04:00Yeah...I honestly don't know where all this &q...Yeah...I honestly don't know where all this "Andrew Garfield gives the best performance in the movie..." talk comes from. I recognize that Garfield gave an excellent performance and spun gold out of what can be argued is an underwritten part...I also understand the impulse to want to see more of Garfield (believe me), but Eisenberg, without a doubt, gives the best performance in the film.The Pretentious Know it Allhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13279181033628364368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-26738305724720559282010-10-13T12:52:07.478-04:002010-10-13T12:52:07.478-04:00Your final chart is a particularly revealing examp...Your final chart is a particularly revealing example of the age differential between best actor and best actress. So, there have only been nine best actor NOMINEES under the age of 36, yet eight of the last 10 best actress WINNERS are under that age!<br />@calroth - I agree there are other contenders (Bardem and Wahlberg, too), but none of them feel ahead of Eisenberg to me, buzz-wise. For now, at least, I think he has a good shot at a nomination.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11061599899403736592noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-6139252673088231512010-10-13T12:18:12.990-04:002010-10-13T12:18:12.990-04:00too much, eh.?too much, eh.?NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-75054867112909837282010-10-13T11:39:58.677-04:002010-10-13T11:39:58.677-04:00My brain hurts.My brain hurts.E Dothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16092167817913017197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-76316208255003584522010-10-13T09:23:32.586-04:002010-10-13T09:23:32.586-04:00Um...this is an American movie. Citizen Kane (for ...Um...this is an American movie. Citizen Kane (for all the gushing about the technique and the format) is shallow, Some Like it Hot is shallow, The Maltese Falcon is shallow, His Girl Friday is shallow, The Graduate is shallow. And I just rattled off movies that are considered among the best ever made. If you want deep, see 8 1/2, see The Spirit of the Beehive, see Andrei Rublev, see Secrets & Lies, see It's a Wonderful Life (some people say it's corn, but, truthfully, American directors usually don't make movies so baldly about everyday, average joe pain. (It's not like either George Bailey or Potter are Bear Stearns rich.) Instead, the movies are about uber high status people and criminals who can afford to get rabidly angry (Citizen Kane and White Heat are the biggest examples). Which, to me, renders them "shallow.")Volvagianoreply@blogger.com