tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post3030697772771116957..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Rant From a Defensive Kidman FanNATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger96125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-71357927158846519292007-12-25T14:28:00.000-05:002007-12-25T14:28:00.000-05:00You know I just feel Nicole Kidman lots of times f...You know I just feel Nicole Kidman lots of times for me comes across that she tries way too hard. Most of her movies it looks like she is trying so hard to show that she this "daring actress" that it looks way too labored.<BR/><BR/>Not saying she is bad or anything maybe just not my cup of tea, but <BR/>just from the poster of <I>Margot at the Wedding</I> I can see that she has had so much work done she almost looks like a creature. <BR/><BR/>Her glacialness works best in movies like <I>Moulin Rouge</I>, <I>The Others</I> and <I>Birthday Girl</I>. But she has really had some real downright awful performances in movies like <I>Batman Forever</I>, <I>Eyes Wide Shut</I>, and <I>Billy Bathgate</I>. <BR/><BR/>The weird thing is with her is that she doesn't strike as someone who really knows how to connect or get the heart of things both acting or non-acting. I felt her Oscar accpetance speech was pretty disgusting to say the least and quite snobby saying "Russell Crowe told me not to cry" when she went up there. I almost lost my supper when I heard that. I just don't find much sincerity in her.<BR/><BR/>I admit I am compelled but it is odd I just find her so insincere it is quite facinating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-25050716749721091002007-12-20T04:28:00.000-05:002007-12-20T04:28:00.000-05:00Vinci - Thanks for your lovely reply. I agree Nico...Vinci - Thanks for your lovely reply. I agree Nicole is slightly better than Demi (don't let my mother hear me say that).<BR/><BR/>Wow! There's so much hostility on this thread.<BR/><BR/>Lylee - I also love Laura Linney, especially the sound of her voice - I could listen to her for hours and hours.<BR/><BR/>Mrs Mill - real or not - You're more than welcome to drop by to The Awful Truth where they are less anal about Nicole Kidman...<BR/><BR/>http://boards.eonline.com/Insider/Boards/forum.jspa?forumID=10&start=0<BR/><BR/>Thanks NathAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-52018622744367518532007-12-19T16:47:00.000-05:002007-12-19T16:47:00.000-05:00Mrs. Mills is putting us on people. We'll be invit...Mrs. Mills is putting us on people. We'll be invited up for that poisoned tea anytime soon ;)<BR/><BR/>i do admire creative trolling.<BR/><BR/>but this thread i should probably block from new comments now that it has descended into bloody threats (lylee... no kidding) and name calling.<BR/><BR/>but it has been amusing to read how many people hate "cold" actresses (i.e. cerebral and unconcerned with hugging the audience) and you kinda wonder what changed from the early days of cinema until now. I mean we had strong strong bitch goddesses back then that the public loved. Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Greta Garbo, etcetera... anyone wanna diss these legends because they weren't cuddly?NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-10935929552534906812007-12-19T15:00:00.000-05:002007-12-19T15:00:00.000-05:00I don't think that that is that radical of an idea...<I>I don't think that that is that radical of an idea but maybe it is for many in this age when people are far more likely to be discussing I AM LEGEND's box office take rather than whether or not it's a good movie.</I> <BR/><BR/>QFT, and it *isn't*. <BR/><BR/><I>Nobody ever gives you your money back and apologises for wasting your time for having to endure a bad movie with flat performances.</I> <BR/><BR/>Like I Am Flat Shitty Will Smiff Like You Never Seen Befo'? Thank god this is also the age of the close friend w/ the bootleg so you don't have to sneak into another theatre.......hint hint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-69133910118823131372007-12-19T14:19:00.000-05:002007-12-19T14:19:00.000-05:00LOL,I hope Mrs. Mills is not late for her bridge s...LOL,<BR/><BR/>I hope Mrs. Mills is not late for her bridge since her 12.27 post, she still had time to check other people's responses and she stated she had to rush.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07966019687624917633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-65096991925212481812007-12-19T13:27:00.000-05:002007-12-19T13:27:00.000-05:00Are you sure you didn't just look up Dench's list ...Are you sure you didn't just look up Dench's list of stage credits on the internet, like you looked up the award nominations for Mrs Henderson Presents, before admitting you actually hadn't seen it?<BR/><BR/>Not sure how much of what you say is believable at all (especially seeing as how your Dench fandom seems slightly exaggerated). Maybe you haven't even seen FUR, but you read some bad reviews and decided to to claim you'd seen it, just to make your critque of Kidman look a bit more credible. Makes more sense than you actually paying money to watch a tiny, weird film at the cinema, starring an actress you've professed to majorly disliking for quite awhile.<BR/><BR/>And you seem to be insinuating that Kidman is a "Hollywood movie star", therefore not a "real actress". Kidman is highly, stage trained actress, and has been since the age of 13. While she may not have as many stage credits as Dench, but the few times she has acted on stage, she's won major awards for her stage acting (since awards is all you seem to care about). That includes a stage adaptation of Steel Magnolias in 1989 on the Sydney stage in Australia and The Blue Room In The West End. Where she won *yawn* awards and stuff.<BR/><BR/>Kidman has been winning major "awards" for her acting, since she was an 18 year old, long before she was on Hollywood's radar. She won once and was nominated the AFI (the Australia version of Emmy/Oscar) three before she was 22. She's won acting awards for stage, film and television. By some distance, in the late 1980's, she was the most critically acclaimed young actress in Australia.<BR/><BR/>She's always been an "actor", before she was a movie star. She's one of the few that's both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-16430944820517530932007-12-19T13:26:00.000-05:002007-12-19T13:26:00.000-05:00If we're going to nonsequitur to other allegedly "...If we're going to nonsequitur to other allegedly "overrated" actresses, all I can say is...if anyone ever takes a hatchet to Laura Linney the way some of you all are doing to poor ol' Kidman (whom I respect as an actress, though she leaves me kinda cold)...<BR/><BR/>THERE WILL BE BLOOD.<BR/><BR/>course, I have a feeling I'll have more supporters and fewer haters on the Linney front. Even if she doesn't have any Oscars in her bag.<BR/><BR/>The idea of number of Oscars being a yardstick to judge an actor's "greatness," by the way is...so risible there's just not much to say about it. (Though for the record, doesn't Kidman have as many Oscars as Dench? And doesn't Hilary Swank have more than both of them?)lyleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00954420869268632653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-143016976488406632007-12-19T12:57:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:57:00.000-05:00Don't be a tiresome child now and a bore.Of course...Don't be a tiresome child now and a bore.<BR/><BR/>Of course, I've seen Dame Judi Dench perform, many times on the London stage, as the Duchess of Malfi; as Adriana in Comedy of Errors; and of course as Lady Macbeth. Like her awards, her performances are too numerous to list.<BR/><BR/>I haven't seen all her films but I do understand that she's had six Oscar nominations (with one win). Not bad for a real actress.<BR/><BR/>How many Oscars and nominations does your Hollywood Movie Star, Ms Kidman have?<BR/><BR/>Now I must run , as you've made me late. Bye bye dears.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-81360545488636933512007-12-19T12:45:00.001-05:002007-12-19T12:45:00.001-05:00Mrs. Mills,If Oscar and awards are the barometer o...Mrs. Mills,<BR/><BR/>If Oscar and awards are the barometer of what you consider as quality, so good for you. But implying that just because a movie is not good because it doesn't have award nominations is just silly.<BR/><BR/>A lot of great movies were not nominated for Oscar. If you use Oscar as quality; I guess you will think "The Green Mile" and "Chocolat" masterpieces.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I am not attacking you for your personal taste. But calling a movie dreadful because it got no Oscar nomination..sigh. Different strokes for different people. <BR/><BR/>Agree to disagree.<BR/><BR/>And Nicole rocks! (I like Judi Dench also, so don't poison my tea!)Darryl Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17946049993123271516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-89454466005750817022007-12-19T12:45:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:45:00.000-05:00Jem ~I think there are parallels to Demi Moore and...Jem ~<BR/><BR/>I think there are parallels to Demi Moore and Nicole Kidman's box office muscle. Both of them latched onto several projects in a span of a few years that did really well and drove up their asking price. And the success of those films were based only partially on their presence and acting (if you want to say that is what Moore was doing) verses a Julia Roberts circa early 90's and then again in the late 90's/early 00's, where people were plunking down money to see "a Julia Roberts movie." <BR/><BR/>Moore is a poor actor (who shows glimpses here and there in her older age of talent, but very minute and not very promising) who played supporting roles in highly successful films like "Ghost" and "A Few Good Men." Those films would have probably been just as successful had they starred Kidman or Julia Roberts for that matter. But, they made Moore a recognizable name. She had a slammin' body, which played a very large role in "Indecent Proposal." "Disclosure" had Michael Douglas and was based on a best-seller. It wasn't until "Scarlett Letter" and "G.I. Jane" that she actually tried to carry a film on both her shoulders. "Scarlett" grossed less than she was paid. "G.I. Jane" actually did okay, but not if you consider all of the money that went into making and promoting it. By then, it was obvious that she wasn't worth her paychecks as a movie star or actress and not even doing a Woody Allen film was going to give her street cred (though, I thought she was funny as a hardcore Jewish convert).<BR/><BR/>The same could be said about Kidman's career tragectory starting with "Rouge." But, her roles were more important than Moore's and she's a better actor (in just better films). However, she was making films that people wanted to go see, not necessarily because of her. She continued to do the off-kilter material that she's been doing for years (and moreso, because she was more respected and more in demand). Unfortunately, her big budget projects were clunkers and not even her performances could save them. Had the "Stepford Wives" and "Bewitched" had better screenplays, she probably would have hit them out of the park. <BR/><BR/>You can't say the same for "Scarlett" and "G.I. Jane," because Moore was incapable of stepping up period.<BR/><BR/>Kidman's not an actress that you can plug into a film, just add water and expect a blockbuster (who is really?). She's not always great, but at a minimum she's adequate even in awful material like "Practical Magic." I think her asking price is going to continue to go down, but she's built up such a long line of (at the very least) interesting films and I think she will have Streep-level admiration that will take well into her 60's.Cinesnatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00244752542602944093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-9564572210048521972007-12-19T12:42:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:42:00.000-05:00Yeah, but you did bring up Judi Dench as a nice, w...Yeah, but you did bring up Judi Dench as a nice, wholesome alternative to Kidman as a great actress du jour. Mrs Henderson Presents is fairly typical of Dench's work and her film choices, and it's a major film in her career. If you are going to bring up the woman, don't get all pissy when people who actually know what they are talking about decide to discuss her work in regards to said comparison to La Kidman.<BR/><BR/>But obviously you're not such a huge fan of Dame Judi that you can actually be bothered to watch her in an Oscar nominated performance. If you are going to bang on about "the warmth, technical adeptnessblahblablah" of Dench, one would expect to at least have seen all her oscar nominated performances.<BR/><BR/>But you seem more interested in paying good money watching the "dreadful Nicole Kidman" in a low budget arthouse curiousity (then whining about it) than watching the glorious Dame Judi in an award winning, oscar nominated period piece.<BR/><BR/>Shouldn't you...um...get your priorities straight. Even you obviously don't find Dench as interesting or compelling as Kidman. You may not like Kidman, but you seem drawn to discussing her and watch her films.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-10740038276947221002007-12-19T12:27:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:27:00.000-05:00Zero. Thank you. I rest my case. Now if you'll fo...Zero. Thank you. I rest my case. <BR/><BR/>Now if you'll forgive me I must rush off to my bridge club.<BR/> <BR/>Incidentally, I'm not here to discuss 'Mrs Henderson presents' as I haven't even seen it, but then again I never brought it up in the first place! Good Day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-11177361697786399662007-12-19T12:13:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:13:00.000-05:00Fur got as many Oscar nominations as The Shining (...Fur got as many Oscar nominations as The Shining (Zero).<BR/><BR/>In fact, The Shining got nominated for 2 Razzie awards (including worst director for Stanley Kubrick). So Fur was actually better recieved than The Shining, considering it wasn't nodded for any Razzies.<BR/><BR/>Yet 27 years later, The Shining is regarded as a masterpiece, despite being initially dismissed as a failure.<BR/><BR/>That's what can happen with films that take risks and dare to be different. They can be re-evaluated. Whose to say in 10 years time, that critical consensus won't declare Fur to be a misunderstood masterpiece, ahead of it's time. It certainly worked for The Shining.<BR/><BR/>Fur is different enough and daring enough to be re-evaluated at some point.<BR/><BR/>No matter how many awards and oscars it got nominated for, Mrs Henderson Presents always going to be a forgettable piece of oscarbaiting fluff, that isn't sufficiently interesting or different enough for people to care about at all in 10 or 15 years time. At least by people who care about cinema, Fur stands a much better chance of actually being still discussed and remembered 10 years from now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-33105276526650849132007-12-19T12:12:00.000-05:002007-12-19T12:12:00.000-05:00Mrs. Mills,the question you have not answered is w...Mrs. Mills,<BR/><BR/>the question you have not answered is why, if you find Nicole so dreadful, you went ahead and paid your hard-earned money to see Fur anyway? If I'm not interested in an actor or a film I don't spend my money or my time there; but neither do I waste my time bashing the person either. As anon. 10:35 said, different strokes for different folks.<BR/><BR/>No one FORCED you to spend your money, no one tied you to the chair, no one prevented you from walking out after five minutes to demand your money back, and NO ONE owes you an apology because the film was not up to your liking. As the old saying goes, "let the buyer beware" (or "you buys your ticket, you takes your chances.")<BR/><BR/>And as it happens I found Mrs Henderson a terribly forgettable effort - and I normally enjoy Dame Judi and Bob Hoskins (another fine actor who gets wasted in a lot of twaddle. In fact, most screen actors nowadays get wasted in a lot of twaddle - there are only so many good screenplays getting the green light, or so it seems, and the choice is either save yourself only for the rare gem that comes along once in a blue moon, or do some work that includes a few stinkers, if you want to work at all.)<BR/><BR/>Again, the thing of it is, the actors are generally paid up front a certain amount - and the more successful ones may have percentage cuts in their contract if the film makes a profit. So if the film doesn't, the actor doesn't. Simple. But they've already gotten their paycheck up front - which was paid out to them by the producers and the studios. It was not taxpayer dollars - unlike the war our politicians have been waging in Iraq, for instance. And when are we going to get an apology for THAT?<BR/><BR/>RedSatinDollAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-14064077660279375832007-12-19T11:47:00.000-05:002007-12-19T11:47:00.000-05:00You didn't answer my question: Now, If you would b...You didn't answer my question:<BR/> <BR/>Now, If you would be so kind to tell me how many Oscar nominations and awards did that dreadful movie, Fur, attract?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-13030350750708938162007-12-19T11:34:00.000-05:002007-12-19T11:34:00.000-05:00Obviously, you enjoy undemanding, middlebrow, pred...Obviously, you enjoy undemanding, middlebrow, predictable pap, designed specifically to win awards and tug the sentimental heartstrings of 70 year old academy voters. Step up Judi Dench.<BR/><BR/>I prefer artistically challenging, risk-taking endeavours that aren't afraid to try something new and say it in a different way. Step up Nicole Kidman.<BR/><BR/>Artistic expression isn't determined by box office or awards. Though you seem to have some trouble figuring this out. There is more artistic merit in a single frame of FUR, than the entire 2 hour running time of MRS HENDERSON FORMULAICALLY TRIES TO BAG AN OSCAR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-25042549290121841992007-12-19T11:00:00.000-05:002007-12-19T11:00:00.000-05:00Obviously, you enjoy failures, my dear.'Mrs Hender...Obviously, you enjoy failures, my dear.<BR/><BR/>'Mrs Henderson presents' was nominated for 2 Oscars, one of the nominations being for Judi Dench's performance. It won 4 awards and attracted 20 other nominations; BAFTAs, Golden Globes, I can't list all of them, dear.<BR/><BR/>Now, If you would be so kind to tell me how many Oscar nominations and awards did that dreadful movie, Fur, attract?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-17176352920851953912007-12-19T10:35:00.000-05:002007-12-19T10:35:00.000-05:00Well, I wasted 2 hours of my life on Mrs Henderson...Well, I wasted 2 hours of my life on Mrs Henderson Presents, a dire, trite formulaic piece of TV movie shit in which Judi Dench went through the motions and earned yet another undeserved oscar nomination for being Dame Judi Dench.<BR/><BR/>That said, I'm not asking for Dench's head on a pike for being terminally tedious (to me) and making a middle of the road oscarbaiters. She's a fine actress, but I find her incredibly boring most of the time (though she was brilliant in Notes On A Scandal, for the first time in a long time). I'd rather watch Kidman stumble through some bizzarre curio like Fur, than watch Dench play another old biddy in a middling costume drama. And I didn't even like Fur. But I find Kidman interesting, even in her failures.<BR/><BR/>Dench doesn't rock my boat. But she does yours. I'm not going to deny her talent. I'm not going to deny that what she does has a certain appeal to certain people. Just not to me.<BR/><BR/>Same goes for Kidman. She doesn't appeal to everyone. But she doesn't have to. If y'all love the "warmth and technical adeptness" of Dame Judi, more power to you. I prefer the experimentation, virtousity and psychological weirdness that Kidman often presents in her work.<BR/><BR/>Different strokes for different folks, and all that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-90070002893708325712007-12-19T09:17:00.000-05:002007-12-19T09:17:00.000-05:00Art for Art's sake: That would be acceptable if M...Art for Art's sake: That would be acceptable if Ms. Kidman was financing her own attempts at acting and screening them for free in the local parish hall.<BR/><BR/>However, I did pay £8.50 to see Fur, and what a complete waste of money and time that was. Just dreadful! So you can't really be suprised if people are thoroughly disgusted, and end up expressing their discontent. Nobody ever gives you your money back and apologises for wasting your time for having to endure a bad movie with flat performances.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-75055767891562268212007-12-19T07:50:00.000-05:002007-12-19T07:50:00.000-05:00sorry if i sound snippy. I really enjoy the conver...sorry if i sound snippy. I really enjoy the conversations in here but this one has been frustrating.<BR/><BR/>The whole point of my article is that her box office should not matter. this is why i also linked to two other articles that are about this very strange and somewhat american notion that financial success equals talent or artistic achievement. <BR/><BR/>It only equals money.<BR/><BR/>So to be countered that "her time is up" because she's had a rough year in the salary to success ratio is maddening. Because the truth, as I see it --i do realize this is all opinion on both sides -- is that this year has been a success for her artistically (I didn't see <I>Invasion</I> so i'm pretending it didn't exist ;))<BR/><BR/>I'm saying that commerce is not the same as art and a reading of any actors' "popularity" is about as poor a barometer of their contribution to acting as you can find.<BR/><BR/>I don't think that that is that radical of an idea but maybe it is for many in this age when people are far more likely to be discussing I AM LEGEND's box office take rather than whether or not it's a good movie.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-33889002418753103082007-12-19T04:54:00.000-05:002007-12-19T04:54:00.000-05:00Nath, what is that?Why do you do that? I noticed ...Nath, what is that?<BR/><BR/>Why do you do that? I noticed that you did that to mrs mills before, and she came back to correct you. You blow out of proportion any comments that don't fit in with your viewpoint, rather than try to consider the possibility or understand why her films are bombing at the box office.<BR/><BR/>My mother's favourite actress is Demi Moore (each to their own) and she tells me that Demi used to be the higgest paid and most sought after actress in Hollywood in late 90s until she bombed repeatedly. Today she's not even on the radar for most people - could Kidman's career be going the same way? Maybe her time is up. Why is that so hard to accept?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-34394027513141602062007-12-18T22:18:00.000-05:002007-12-18T22:18:00.000-05:00thanks lyleeit's always best to stay civil yes. bu...thanks lylee<BR/>it's always best to stay civil yes.<BR/><BR/> but as to me and my "bubble" it is an interesting notion, this, that writers and critics (like myself) should adopt the mass public opinion on any given topic. <BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what purpose that would serve other than boring everyone to death with nodding heads and vacant stares but there ya go. ;)<BR/><BR/>could you imagine? you click on over to the film experience for your daily dose of random film musings/obsession and probable actress worship and suddenly its<BR/><BR/>* only box office blockbusters<BR/>* stills from next year's sure to be awesome blockbuster [insert title here]<BR/>* how hot jessica alba is<BR/>* tv recaps of ugly betty or whatever reality show just aired the night before<BR/>* paris hilton even though she isn't an actress<BR/>* flippant dismissals of "old" actresses<BR/>* and absolutely zero talk of any movie that exists prior to say, 1999 and any of those weird movies that use words at the bottom of the screen. <BR/><BR/>I'd die of boredom and so would all of you if you chose to keep reading. <BR/><BR/>I love my bubble. <BR/>My bubble loves me. <BR/>Sometimes I slap it like Nicole and her Golden Monkey but then I calm it down with loving whispers --I'll never try and puncture you again!NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-15051545356470945502007-12-18T20:58:00.000-05:002007-12-18T20:58:00.000-05:00here is botox for you, Nicole Kidman's haterhttp:/...here is botox for you, Nicole Kidman's hater<BR/><BR/>http://worldofwonder.net/archives/2007/Dec/17/golden_silver.wow<BR/><BR/>happy now?<BR/><BR/>defensive nicole kidman's fanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-3733421944037909322007-12-18T19:32:00.000-05:002007-12-18T19:32:00.000-05:00Look, I love Cate Blanchett as much as the next gu...Look, I love Cate Blanchett as much as the next guy, but she's had flops too! <I>Elizabeth: The Golden Age</I>? <I>The Missing</I>? <I>The Gift</I>? Even <I>I'm Not There</I> has only made something like $2mil, although that can be put down to the Weinstein's ineptitude.<BR/><BR/>Mrs Mills, the reason people aren't buying tickets to Kidman movies isn't because everyone suddenly thinks she's the worst actress on the face of the earth like some of you people are claiming. It's because her small arty films like <I>Birth</I> and <I>Dogville</I> are just that. Too small and arty. Doesn't make them any less good or her performances any less revelatory. And her bigger scale movies are just as crummy as most actors. We don't hear about Jamie Foxx being a horrible horrible actor when <I>The Kingdom</I> only makes $50mil, but when <I>Bewitched</I> makes $60mil it's like she's this demon actor who is responsible for third world debt and AIDS. Besides, apparently Olivir Hirschbeigel's original <I>Invasion</I> script was far different and much better than what ended up on screen.<BR/><BR/>And if anyone ever doubts her presence they need to watch the opera sequence in <I>Birth</I>. if you're not captivated by that then I can't help but feel you are eternally blinded by your hatred.<BR/><BR/>Anon Ray, it's sad but true, isn't it?Glenn Dunkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424659636310160482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-7428242803295963792007-12-18T17:48:00.000-05:002007-12-18T17:48:00.000-05:00Geez, folks, when did this turn from a bash-Nic in...Geez, folks, when did this turn from a bash-Nic into a bash-Nat session? Let's be civil, please, and simply agree to disagree.lyleehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00954420869268632653noreply@blogger.com