tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post8575585674012315877..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Oscar's Music Branch Might Need Some Fine Tuning.NATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59066400927186461412010-12-22T20:51:05.748-05:002010-12-22T20:51:05.748-05:00volvagia -- let's not get crazy. this isn'...volvagia -- let's not get crazy. this isn't the grammys. they don't need dozens of categories. they just need to be open minded about what constitutes a good score.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-44481411346349718272010-12-22T17:35:33.994-05:002010-12-22T17:35:33.994-05:00They need Adapted Score, for one, and they probabl...They need Adapted Score, for one, and they probably also need to have a 3 wide "original non-classical" field for at least five years as well. (So what's currently called Best Original Score would temporarily become Best Original Classical Score) This year the category would, most likely, be:<br /><br />Mastodon, Jonah Hex<br />Daft Punk, Tron Legacy<br />Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross, The Social Network<br /><br />(And also: If you don't want the original performers performing, why even have the song category.)Volvagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-46687714595184053262010-12-22T16:16:26.301-05:002010-12-22T16:16:26.301-05:00The music branch always creates such a huge stir e...The music branch always creates such a huge stir every year with these disqualifications. To add to their poor taste in music sometimes. And to their general habit of giving preference to previously nominated composers.Torrent Downloadhttp://www.areze.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-73821331785294998822010-12-22T10:42:54.361-05:002010-12-22T10:42:54.361-05:00moror -- i actually know nothing about that john a...moror -- i actually know nothing about that john adams score for I AM LOVE. just what people have told me here that it's not original.<br /><br />but i'm no music expert. i wish someone would link up to some sort of article or something about what it's not an original score. cuz i know nuthin ; <br /><br />Billy -- they need an adapted category fo' sure (since that's what most scores are these days)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-805894601865696422010-12-21T23:10:57.893-05:002010-12-21T23:10:57.893-05:00I cannot express how furious I am over the decisio...I cannot express how furious I am over the decisions made by the Oscars. Honestly, in the case of Black Swan, how would anyone have gone through a movie, centralized around the ballet by Tchaikovsky, and leave that part out. The decision to make use of that was brilliant, and the things that Mansell chose to do with that score was pure genius. It fit perfectly with Nina's own mental inconsistencies, and isn't that what a score is supposed to do? Convey the images on screen through music? The Oscars really need to check themselves at the door because this is getting a bit ridiculous. Yet another year that a brilliant composer gets screwed out of recognition for their hard work.Billyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17173155351778377185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-36502970267890028812010-12-21T20:13:06.449-05:002010-12-21T20:13:06.449-05:00Do you know if the I Am Love score was disqualifie...Do you know if the I Am Love score was disqualified? From what I know, it is not original at all, they just choose the best John Adams songs that fit. They did a great job, but I don't know if it even qualifies.emmanuel ramos barajashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01208608598161025103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-88269583326905729602010-12-21T12:19:29.339-05:002010-12-21T12:19:29.339-05:00Not at all surprised by Black Swan's disqualif...Not at all surprised by Black Swan's disqualification. It's beautiful crafted, but it is largely an adaptation score and ever since the Academy did away with their adaption category, they've largely ignored it. (Except when they don't.)<br /><br />And completely agreed with Never Let Me Go's probably nomination and the gripes about it. I loved the movie, I liked the score, I hated the score in the movie (though I think I largely blame the sound designers for mishandling the score.)<br /><br />I would be very surprised to see The Social Network make it in (the score was one of the few things I actually liked about the film). A Social Network vs. Inception race would be slightly more exciting, though King's Speech vs. Inception is more likely... I guess I'm rooting for Inception to win.<br /><br />Cal Roth - <br />Best Score has had score from stinkers in the past... Patch Adams spring to mind. One year even had Lemony Snicket AND The Village, both of which lost to Finding Neverland. (God, 2004 was a bad year for Score.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-21039069244792388202010-12-21T11:41:41.054-05:002010-12-21T11:41:41.054-05:00@Nathaniel I still think they WERE insular, but no...@Nathaniel I still think they WERE insular, but not anymore. The Academy focus has shifted in the past six years and the music branch has changed too. I've got the feeling that this is not the same people that nominated The Village as Best Score of the Year. The new members this past years has A LOT to say in this change that I'm talking about. You just have to see U2 members entering the music branch last year. Christopher Beck was the only "traditional orchestral" composer entering the Academy. As I've said, Rahman and Sataolalla's win are quite indicative that the music branch would never nominate such things as The Last Airbender which is the same case as The Village was.Vn (sorry for Anonymous thing)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-30925688156922677682010-12-21T10:58:04.754-05:002010-12-21T10:58:04.754-05:00Nathaniel, it was Best Score: Adaptation or Treatm...Nathaniel, it was Best Score: Adaptation or Treatment, meaning both scores adapted from other sources and scores for big screen musicals were eligible. It replaced the split between Dramatic/Comedy Score and Musical Score. A few years after it debuted, it was folded into Original Score.OtherRoberthttp://sketchydetails.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-6026708682103715002010-12-21T10:47:52.699-05:002010-12-21T10:47:52.699-05:00I'm eagerly anticipating this branch screwing ...I'm eagerly anticipating this branch screwing over Trent Reznor for "The Social Network." Just wait for it. It's coming. Then I can totally disregard this category and take a bathroom break during this part of the show.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35330280478045463512010-12-21T10:29:29.271-05:002010-12-21T10:29:29.271-05:00@Kyle -- i agree but notice that NEVER LET ME GO i...@Kyle -- i agree but notice that NEVER LET ME GO is winning attention already, despite the score being totally bad for the film (even if, as music, it's fine)<br /><br />@anon -- but they are insular. If you look at their nomination history they are very very slow to give people their first nomination... and composers that are super well regarded by music types (like Angelo Badalementi for example) are often never nominated at all.<br /><br />and previously unnominated composers usually have to be writing for some major major major best pic nominee film (and not just making great music for some random film) in order to break through. which is not the case in some of the other craft categories where if you do exceptional work they'll sometimes notice even if you have nothing to do with the best picture race.<br /><br />@OtherRobert - agreed. wasn't it called "Best Adapted Song Score" though? as in it was usually for musicals?NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-91538701077310871192010-12-21T10:00:48.416-05:002010-12-21T10:00:48.416-05:00As long as the "Never Let Me Go" score d...As long as the "Never Let Me Go" score doesn't get awarded I'll be happy...I've never seen a score literally drag a film down like that, but somehow Portman pulled it off...Kylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-33663538430913158142010-12-21T09:55:06.541-05:002010-12-21T09:55:06.541-05:00I noticed you don't write anything about Rahma...I noticed you don't write anything about Rahman. The Academy brach is not THAT insular. They awarded Santaolalla and Rahman, two outsider composers, far away from traditional film music tastes.<br /><br />I don't see how The Social Network is a long shot. It is the Best Picture Winner. Remember last year when Marco Beltrami and Buck Sanders (a sound engineer!) were nominated by the music branch for Original Score? I don't think that's insular (...)<br /><br />I wish they rule Inception's score ineligible but not just because Edith Piaf's song at the end of the score. But just because the main theme comes from the trailer's theme that Zimmer didn't write by himself. <br /><br />I hate The Social Network's score.That's just very cool music but it doesn't fit the images. It's not a score, these are samples session joined together, there's no structure, not consistency. But this is elegible, no doubt about it and should qualify. And this will win the Globe and the Oscar.<br /><br />The King's Speech can have a shot to win it's a pity considering this is a minor effort from Desplat. The Ghost Writer is a much better score. <br /><br />And talking about good scores it's a shame the Academy is not going to nominate The Last Airbender, How to Train your Dragon. Two masterful scores that are not in Academy's radar. <br /><br />And it all comes to the same conclusion. The music branch doesn't listen to the scores. They just nominated because the "think" this is good or not. But it's a shame film music fans know more than this people.<br /><br />And please. No way 127 is a good score: that was a short compendium of noise and effects. How that is one of the best scores of the year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-22224785995421864332010-12-21T09:46:46.956-05:002010-12-21T09:46:46.956-05:00Here I was thinking Carter Burwell would get a mak...Here I was thinking Carter Burwell would get a make-up nomination for <i>Where the Wild Things Are</i> when they go and bump him for using Protestant hymns.<br /><br />They still haven't disqualified a popular recording artist, but that doesn't happen until after the nomination ballots are in so they can really screw up the category. I'm betting on Daft Punk being eliminated from the running as I doubt the Academy is going to fall for Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross' score.<br /><br />What they need to do is bring back the Adapted Score category with similar rules to Original Song. The music branch screens and rates the potential nominees, then issues 2 to 5 nominations if there are enough quality scores to go around. Obviously, there would be a very small field for the screening (say, 12 to 15 films). I, frankly, don't understand why they eliminated the category. It was a good award to give. The Academy doesn't seem to mind the screenplay being adapted from other material, so why the score?OtherRoberthttp://sketchydetails.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-56953347754076348512010-12-21T09:26:41.806-05:002010-12-21T09:26:41.806-05:00It might not make the cut but I think Desplat'...It might not make the cut but I think Desplat's score to HP and the Deathly Hallows was amazing. It was so gorgeous and dark, fitting the movie's many tones. I am, however, a larger fan of this HP installment than most. I just think that Desplat's bravery to break away from William's HP score and create his own work that really sounded better and more lush than any of William's score. I feel like Desplat is so prolific that his HP score should be getting more attention than it is. <br /><br />Nathaniel I would love to here you talk more about this HP feel. I noticed you saw it and graded it, but never really talked about it. You grade is so average that I'd love to here your thoughts.Mikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-41748164781750547212010-12-21T08:43:24.880-05:002010-12-21T08:43:24.880-05:00Where I´ve written "stupid roles", I mea...Where I´ve written "stupid roles", I meant "stupid rules", and "much responsibles"= "much more responsibles". Excuse me, obviously English is not my language.<br /><br />Oh! And I love Tron´s score by moments, but some tracks are too generic/ disappointing to me... Just like the film. Well the film has an incredible amount of horrible moments, the score is one of its rare jewels, really, when it´s good is really good. It wouldn´t be a bad nominee... Now that Mansell and Burwell are out.Deivith Coasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566777225879062977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-83822634379345567032010-12-21T08:38:52.326-05:002010-12-21T08:38:52.326-05:00I really hate those stupid roles, they manage to q...I really hate those stupid roles, they manage to quit the best scores from the race. 2007 was a great year for music in movies with masterpieces from Greenwood, Cave, Desplat... Specially Greenwood. The snub of A Single Man and Bright Star last year still hurts, and I love love LOVE Mansell and Tchaikovsky is maybe my fave classic composer, so that score is going to be amazing, and I also like Burwell quite much... Those rules only limit creativity and innovation, and there ´s no place for experimentation.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I am crazy about Social Network score, I listen to it everyday, to me is Ross and Reznor are much responsibles of the result of the movie than it seems. I think Inception´s score is wonderful, what Zimmer has made is amazing. And one of my very favourites is Io sono l´amore ´s score, but is it original?? Aren´t the tracks previous work by John Adams?? If it´s original then not nominating it should be penalized! I also love the one of How to train your dragon, and the music of Winter´s Bone in general, so great...<br /><br />And I thought Desplat work in Ghost Writer was masterful (though I prefer him in Benjamin Button, Lust Caution and specially in Birth), but I´ve heard that King´s Speech score is not very good, I haven´t heard it, what do you think??Deivith Coasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15566777225879062977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-77330420142452775452010-12-21T07:33:48.571-05:002010-12-21T07:33:48.571-05:00Silly stuff, but I don't think anybody is clai...Silly stuff, but I don't think anybody is claiming <i>Black Swan</i> shouldn't have used Tchaikovsky, just that the movie used it too prominently for Mansell's original music to be... something. I dunno. It's all stupid though.<br /><br />Nevermind, even without them this year has been <a href="http://stalepopcornau.blogspot.com/2010/12/2010-year-of-music-score.html" rel="nofollow">the year of the film score</a> and any Oscar combination made up of <i>How to Train Your Dragon</i>, <i>The Illusionist</i> <i>Inception</i>, <i>Monsters</i>, <i>Mother</i>, <i>Red Hill</i>, <i>The Social Network</i> or <i>TRON: Legacy</i> would be enough to hail it as the best Oscar original score lineup ever, surely. Of course, the Academy will stuff it up my nominating <i>The King's Speech</i>, <i>Alice in Wonderland</i> and <i>Never Let Me Go</i> instead of most of those.<br /><br /><i>The Illusionist</i> is probably the best score I've heard since <i>Birth</i>. *sigh*Glenn Dunkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424659636310160482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35146754167902456012010-12-21T05:02:42.676-05:002010-12-21T05:02:42.676-05:00The score for The Last Airbender is GREAT, one of ...The score for The Last Airbender is GREAT, one of the best of the year, but I don't remember such an ill-received movie getting Oscar attention besides of make-up.cal rothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-4122305265894174652010-12-21T01:05:49.161-05:002010-12-21T01:05:49.161-05:00NEW CATEGORY: BEST ADAPTED SCORE. Problem solved....NEW CATEGORY: BEST ADAPTED SCORE. Problem solved.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08057157279964156137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-34281448666330516272010-12-21T00:22:01.776-05:002010-12-21T00:22:01.776-05:00I'm suprised they havent DQed Inception yet, b...I'm suprised they havent DQed Inception yet, but I'm stoked it hasn't so far. I wouldn't mind if King's Speech or Social Network wins, but I really think this should go to Zimmer this time. <br /><br />I've noticed some backlash against it, but the opening theme is the most distinctive since LOTR, and definatly my #1 score for the year, thought I haven't seen Black Swan yet (Tonight!!!!!) and I do love Mansell.Broooookenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-10212408153930989522010-12-20T23:56:24.068-05:002010-12-20T23:56:24.068-05:00I think we're likely to see Never Let Me Go ge...I think we're likely to see <i>Never Let Me Go</i> get in there. It's so completely what the Academy goes for in this category (remember "best" equals "most").The Pretentious Know it Allhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13279181033628364368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-86726767192154325722010-12-20T23:45:22.041-05:002010-12-20T23:45:22.041-05:00@TB:
For me, they are making serious mistakes si...@TB: <br /><br />For me, they are making serious mistakes since 2007. <br /><br />First, Johnny Greenwood's THERE WILL BE BLOOD in 2007.<br /><br />In 2008, Zimmer/Newton Howard's THE DARK KNIGHT.<br /><br />In 2009, Korzeniowski's A SINGLE MAN.<br /><br />2010: If Reznor gets snubbed... there you have it.Jorge Rodrigueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14773926428295140628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-15689340698571054282010-12-20T23:44:05.974-05:002010-12-20T23:44:05.974-05:00The music branch has been dead to me ever since Jo...The music branch has been dead to me ever since Jonny Greenwood's score for There Will Be Blood was disqualified. I don't know why I was expecting different for Mansell.TBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17154643263965879632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-85658890496588631132010-12-20T23:43:58.773-05:002010-12-20T23:43:58.773-05:00I'm annoyed that The Social Network is eligibl...I'm annoyed that The Social Network is eligible. Now they might actually nominate it. Which would be awesome, but really, if the music branch is awesome, how do we get to complain about them?<br /><br /> It's much more fun when they do their bullshit inconsistent rulings. Plus it allows us the hope that they might have nominated it... if only they had the chance! Sigh, my childish musings.Arkaannoreply@blogger.com