tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post114269856124580430..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Dust That Doesn't SettleNATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142774366583061992006-03-19T08:19:00.000-05:002006-03-19T08:19:00.000-05:00CARL: No you are not correct in assuming I want Cr...CARL: No you are <B>not</B> correct in assuming I want <I>Crash</I> fans to leave my site. Why would I want that?<BR/><BR/>if you read my original article on what it would mean if Brokeback lost (written two weeks prior to the actual event) I made it very clear that there could be legitimate reasons for voting for <I>Crash</I> --i don't believe that that's how it won, though. Nothing in history supports that it would have had there not been other forces outside of 'film preference' in play. <BR/><BR/>certainly it's OK to like ANY of the films best --subjectivity and all...<BR/><BR/>I would be disappointed if people stopped reading my site because of this BUT due to the nature of what I do (and most people who write about film do) I can never expect that 100% of my readers will agree with me.<BR/><BR/>nor would I want them to. zzzz<BR/><BR/>But I'm not going to soften my opinion out of fear of people checking out. My best girlfriend wanted <I>Crash</I> to win. There's nothing wrong with people liking it. There is something VERY wrong with it winning Best Picture.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142773877563022822006-03-19T08:11:00.000-05:002006-03-19T08:11:00.000-05:00CHOFER & ARKAAN -that is a strange comment from Ro...CHOFER & ARKAAN -that is a strange comment from Robbins but arkaan i'm not sure about that interpretation. it's SUCH a strange comment that i am having trouble believing any interpretation.<BR/><BR/>BRENT -i'll read that article. I often link to things i don't agree with because I like the exchange of ideas. the reason you haven't seen a lot of linkage to pro-Crash articles is I've found most of them clueless about how 'Oscar' works as a whole. <BR/><BR/>i.e (the very very tired principle arguments about the strength of large ensembles and 'set in LA' in the Oscar race --two things which have never been considered pluses before in any other race and they're consistently trotted out as huge pluses, ignoring history.) <BR/><BR/>TRASHBAG -oh and yes Roeper is an idiot. And, brent, you can't be on the defense when you led the attack.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142756078548179992006-03-19T03:14:00.000-05:002006-03-19T03:14:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Vertigo's Psychohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701774152300870403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142755777045323232006-03-19T03:09:00.000-05:002006-03-19T03:09:00.000-05:00As has been pointed out before during the course o...As has been pointed out before during the course of these posts, one can hardly be accused of attacking or "vilifying" <I>Crash</I> supporters for simply using the history of the Academy Awards as a legitimate means of proving the results of this year's Best Picture race just didn't add up (and, judging from the general tone of many posters, Nathaniel's definitely had to take plenty of hits below the belt for upholding <B>his</B> views of the Best Picture outcome). <BR/><BR/>Certainly, votes for <I>Crash</I> from non-biased viewers who genuinely loved the film, along with the over 100,000 <I>Crash</I> DVDS mailed to voters of various award groups and the Ebert/Roeper support, were other aspects behind the <I>Crash</I> win but, in Oscar's 78-year history, no other film prior to <I>Brokeback</I> has dominated the awards season, then suddenly lost the Oscar to a film which offered scant resistance to the frontrunner leading up to the Oscars. This kind of win has never happened in Oscar history; it would be short-sighted, indeed, for Nathaniel and others concerned over the outcome of the Best Picture race to not address issues behind the <I>Crash</I> win/<I>Brokeback</I> upset, as, based on Oscar's history, the results of the Best Picture race did not simply involve a "surprise" win. <BR/><BR/>Nathaniel made another excellent point that's hard to ignore in the light of the outcome of Best Pictre: put <I>Crash</I> in the position <I>Brokeback</I> was in (have <I>Crash</I> winning nearly every top Best Picture Award prior to the Oscars) then have <I>Crash</I> lose the Best Picture Academy Award to a film it previously had trumped for nearly every pre-Oscar Best Picture award. In this scenario, certainly (post-Oscar) many people would have concerns regarding the factors behind the <I>Crash</I> loss, and could quickly point out Oscar's history as a justifiable reason for making claims other factors besides simply chosing the Best Picture of the Year were involved in <I>Crash</I>losing the award. However, when <I>Brokeback</I> faces the exact same situation, some refuse to admit that political factors could have come into play in the Best Picure race. Why should Nathaniel and others have to pretend homophobia, which certainly exists, suddenly disappeared during this year's voting for Best Picture? Homophobia is not the <I>only</I> component involved in the <I>Brokeback</I> loss but, looking back over 78 years of the Oscars, it's rational to conclude agendas besides picking the Best Picture of the Year came into play during this year's Oscar race, and it's understandable many people have a problem with the outcome of the 2005 Best Picture Academy Award, and want to discuss these issues- it's a matter of not burying one's head in the sand.Vertigo's Psychohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17701774152300870403noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142755730034683872006-03-19T03:08:00.002-05:002006-03-19T03:08:00.002-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142755719531512852006-03-19T03:08:00.001-05:002006-03-19T03:08:00.001-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142739721973406962006-03-18T22:42:00.000-05:002006-03-18T22:42:00.000-05:00Nathaniel: I write this in the spirit of “dust th...Nathaniel: <BR/><BR/>I write this in the spirit of “dust that doesn’t settle", especially in the oscarwatching community. In the days preceding and since the announcement of the Oscar winners, I have noted a general consensus growing throughout this community regarding those who, like myself, feel that “Crash” was a better movie than “Brokeback Mountain”. Put succinctly, we are considered to be either tasteless imbeciles, virulent homophobes, or both. Putting aside for the moment the merits of these characterizations, I want to speak to their effect on that part of your audience who shares my view. Normally I would happily join the discussion of the cinematic merits of the two films, with the understanding that some would happily call me a chowderhead for having such opinions. I expect this, because there are lots of different opinions out there; I expect those who disagree to happily slap them down. <BR/><BR/>I sense, however, that the tone of the debate has radically changed. Instead of engaging in the free exchange of ideas, those who felt that “Brokeback Mountain” should have won are vilifying those who do not agree. This has created what human resources professionals would call a ‘hostile work environment’, were this an office. Since it is my place for Oscar-related recreation, perhaps ‘hostile play environment’ is more accurate. In any case, I now have the dominant impression that my opinions, and those of others who share them, are no longer welcome. <BR/><BR/>Am I correct in this? Would you and the folks who frequent <I>The Film Experience</I> prefer that those of us who genuinely favored “Crash” take our custom to other sites? I would certainly be sorry to learn that this is the case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142735855505957102006-03-18T21:37:00.000-05:002006-03-18T21:37:00.000-05:00Also, Nathaniel,how is Richard Roeper going on the...Also, Nathaniel,how is Richard Roeper going on the "offensive" when he was attacked first by many for his support for Crash?<BR/><BR/>That's called "defense", my man.Brenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014633569084189098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142735530726508512006-03-18T21:32:00.000-05:002006-03-18T21:32:00.000-05:00As a "Crash" lover, I was thrilled to see it win.S...As a "Crash" lover, I was thrilled to see it win.<BR/><BR/>Since you're linking to supporting articles, how about a DIFFERENT point of view, this one from Gay City News:<BR/><BR/>http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn_511/<BR/> oscardidnotbrokeback.htmlBrenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14014633569084189098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142709970170156002006-03-18T14:26:00.000-05:002006-03-18T14:26:00.000-05:00How about that clip when one of them tells her "yo...How about that clip when one of them tells her "you look wonderful, Miss Ernst!" and she replies "I wish I could say the same for you"?adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142709884655530492006-03-18T14:24:00.000-05:002006-03-18T14:24:00.000-05:00Just a retroactive comment about the "she's a bitc...Just a retroactive comment about the "she's a bitch" video.<BR/><BR/>I loved it, but I REALLY think that Anjelica Huston from The Witches and/or The Grifters must make an appearance in the sequel. The Grand High Witch is the ultimate bitch, after all... so many great clips to choose from.<BR/><BR/>And Catwoman is now my favorite "bitch". I really need to see Batman Returns again.adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-1142707023407851022006-03-18T13:37:00.000-05:002006-03-18T13:37:00.000-05:00I'm not surprised that both voted for GNaGL, and T...I'm not surprised that both voted for GNaGL, and Tim Robbins has said several times before he likes it when productions stay in LA/The USA (whatever). I'm reading Sarandon's responsed as "why scream about it, it's done already," and I'm tempted to read Robbins as "It's better to realize that casual homophobia exists in Hollywood than to assume that BBM winning best picture would've wiped that slate" (his "I'm not telling you why" is where I get that from). But I love and respect them both, so I hope that's the answer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com