tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post130231472161378547..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Meryl Streep "The Immoral Psychotic Promiscuous One"NATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-72240279233393365352011-04-13T11:54:08.805-04:002011-04-13T11:54:08.805-04:00I just watched Kramer vs Kramer with my husband th...I just watched Kramer vs Kramer with my husband the other night for the first time. It's totally stuck with me and I think that what you've written is completely beautiful. What an amazing role she chose to play in this film, even though her time on screen was minimal. Her character definitely had a major impact and when she was actually on screen, her acting spoke volumes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10078230233348440413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-3128870049832818652009-06-21T05:30:46.972-04:002009-06-21T05:30:46.972-04:00Wow, this is fabulous,nat. thank you.
I Looove Kr...Wow, this is fabulous,nat. thank you.<br /><br />I Looove Krmer vs. kramer.<br />To me, I think it's a masterpiece. <br />the acting,writing,directing,music.. everthing is just perfect.<br /><br />and Meryl, oh I think Joanna was her the fisrt and Biggest opportunity. only about 20 min on this movie, but she fascinated me from openning secenes with her pitiable face.<br /><br />In one word, she was set to show her self's genius.cattynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-73987986402312301702009-06-19T05:56:45.747-04:002009-06-19T05:56:45.747-04:00Oh God!It's a fantastic article!!Thank you Nat...Oh God!It's a fantastic article!!Thank you Nathaniel!!<br />I love this movie, I think it's one of my favorite movie on Meryl filmography!Joanna fascinates me, it's a debated character and Meryl plays this role perfectly!!<br />It's one of few characters that you love and hate contemporaneously!!<br />Great, great movie!!Simonanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-38466660169511544992009-06-18T19:51:11.695-04:002009-06-18T19:51:11.695-04:00Did you know that Ted once actually calls Joanna &...Did you know that Ted once actually calls Joanna "Meryl" in the movie? It's when Joanna is about to step into the elevator. He says: "Now, come on, Meryl."<br />It's very funny, and I just love how they just act on. A lot of this movie is improvised (Joanna hits her hand to the wall; that was not in the script and Meryl was really in pain). I think improvising shows the true talent of an actor. This movie is amazing.Lisanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-60949562789119467592009-06-18T17:40:08.180-04:002009-06-18T17:40:08.180-04:00Ah. understood. that's for the clarification. ...Ah. understood. that's for the clarification. I really most read more 'making of' materials. they are always so fascinating.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35141101850534912552009-06-18T17:13:40.482-04:002009-06-18T17:13:40.482-04:00@N: No, it's just the other side of the usual ...@N: No, it's just the other side of the usual story, where he says nothing when he casts (check) or before he films a take (check), and then as soon as the take is over says things like, "You know what was wrong with that? Everything," etc., etc. The same thing we always hear, except in Meryl's case, the particular late-breaking criticisms were all about "Do you think you'd mind reciting the lines as I wrote them?"NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-86958276295187877952009-06-18T15:45:06.940-04:002009-06-18T15:45:06.940-04:00It's refreshing to hear an actor not being mad...It's refreshing to hear an actor not being mad about Woody Allen. <br /><br />That said, it's fairly gratuitous on Streep's part to say Allen is a womanizer and a self-involved man just after saying she doesn't know the guy.<br /><br />I don't know, sometimes I'd like to live in a delusional world where actors don't "betray" their onscreen characters. A world where there aren't "making offs", "behind the scenes" , etc. A world where movies are still magical.<br /><br />And at the same time, another part of me would love to read/hear Woody Allen would have to tell about all the actors that have worked in his movies. :)Iggynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-10985060775595402482009-06-18T14:21:55.892-04:002009-06-18T14:21:55.892-04:00hmmm, have only seen "Kramer vs. Kramer"...hmmm, have only seen "Kramer vs. Kramer" out of this lineup. Sigh.Kylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-77638531233188445912009-06-18T13:40:44.861-04:002009-06-18T13:40:44.861-04:00It's definitely weird, because both of them ar...It's definitely weird, because both of them are so sensitive people. But at the same time, we all know that Woody is not a easy person, so something must happen in those 3 days. And that's a shame, because she is perfect at comedies or dramas, and Woody is the kind of director that can deliver both.Bernardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-38411711841450031222009-06-18T12:48:02.894-04:002009-06-18T12:48:02.894-04:00Nick... that's so weird to hear because you al...Nick... that's so weird to hear because you always hear from actors that Woody says nothing on set.<br /><br />like he's the least micromanaging director.<br /><br />i wonder why they didn't mesh at all?NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-26738664814977998092009-06-18T12:43:45.178-04:002009-06-18T12:43:45.178-04:00She has also discussed the schizophrenic feeling o...She has also discussed the schizophrenic feeling of working on this at the same time as <i>Kramer</i>, and whereas Benton and Hoffman were only too glad to have Meryl fill out and enrich the part (even writing some of her own material, like her entire courtroom speech), Woody would get mad if she didn't speak the dialogue precisely, pause at the exact moment that the script had a comma, etc. I didn't get the impression when I heard her recount this story that she disputes the filmmaker's right to shape the performance s/he wants, but in the context of being so unusually welcomed into the process of reconstructing a whole character in <i>Kramer</i> (and at such an early moment in her career!), it must have been particularly annoying to be so micromanaged during her three days of <i>Manhattan</i>. (I agree that I wish her part were a bit bigger.)NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-49975274656156143812009-06-18T10:51:15.946-04:002009-06-18T10:51:15.946-04:00Thanks Dean. My english is terrible and the origin...Thanks Dean. My english is terrible and the original quote is from the Eric Lax book entitled "Woody Allen". But we can see that she wasn't very pleased with him.Bernardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-69671812361526441372009-06-18T10:44:10.763-04:002009-06-18T10:44:10.763-04:00Here's the whole quote:
"I don't th...Here's the whole quote:<br /><br /><br />"I don't think Woody Allen even remembers me. I went to see Manhattan<br />and I<br />felt like I wasn't even in it. I was pleased with the film because I<br />looked<br />pretty in it and I thought it was entertaining. But I only worked on<br />the<br />film for three days and I didn't get to know Woody. Who gets to know<br />Woody?<br />He's very much of a womanizer; very self-involved. On a certain level,<br />the<br />film offends me because it's about all these people whose sole concern<br />is<br />discussing their emotional states or their neuroses. It's sad because<br />Woody<br />has the potential to be America's Chekhov. But instead, he's still<br />caught<br />up in the jet-set crowd type of life, trivializing his talent."Deannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-49447581950513374272009-06-18T09:54:32.119-04:002009-06-18T09:54:32.119-04:00Nathaniel I read that they didn't get along in...Nathaniel I read that they didn't get along in the "Cahiers du Cinema", where they quote Meryl:" I don't even know if Woody Allen remembers me. I saw Manhattan and I got the impression of not even make part of the movie. He could be the american Tchekov, but instead has a lifestyle of jet-set and vulgarize his talent."<br />Ouch!Bernardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-19480307318591302822009-06-18T09:41:22.202-04:002009-06-18T09:41:22.202-04:00Ben... Manhattan is my favorite Woody so I can'...<b>Ben</b>... Manhattan is my favorite Woody so I can't join you there.<br /><br /><b>Terris</b> good luck finding "Manhattan" with your subtitles. It really is a masterpiece. P.S. I agree with you that Kramer is essentially Dustin Hoffman's film. He really is amazing with that little boy. But this time I was struck with not being happy about his Oscar win (in the past I'd been so pleased that someone won for playing such a normal character... that's a rarity) and thinking that Roy Scheider was indeed robbed blind for All That Jazz.<br /><br /><b>Bernardo</b> i didn't know that Streep & Woody didn't get along. I thought she was so great in Manhattan and wish we'd see her in another Woody, them both being New Yorkers and all<br /><br /><b>Kent</b>... i didn't mention the courtoom scenes specifically because in order to keep going i have to stop somewhere in these writeups. And my favorite scene of hers is the abandonment scene. But, that said, <br /><br /><b>Catherine</b> is so right about that flash of feeling in the film's finale.<br /><br /><b>Jose</b> whenever Streep had won her 1st... we wouldn't be talking about her fifth. It took Hepburn til' 74 years of age to win her fourth (more on that tomorrow)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-5634317301403048342009-06-18T09:21:06.834-04:002009-06-18T09:21:06.834-04:00I agree about K vs. K. I saw it again about a yea...I agree about K vs. K. I saw it again about a year ago and I found it fascinating and moving. Dated, yes, but beautifully done and Meryl certainly deserved her Oscar.<br /><br />I love Woody but have never thought Manhattan was one of his best.... am I alone?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02998101864589973621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-46059797528175160322009-06-18T08:39:47.458-04:002009-06-18T08:39:47.458-04:00EW just made a list of the best Woody Allen movies...EW just made a list of the best Woody Allen movies. Guess who is the 1st?<br /><br />http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/06/rating-woody-allen-heres-how-all-his-movies-stack-up-.html#commentsBernardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-90975251870758986692009-06-18T08:34:53.312-04:002009-06-18T08:34:53.312-04:00I never watched The Seduction of JT, here in Italy...I never watched The Seduction of JT, here in Italy it's impossible to be found!<br />I "watched" Manhattan following the same strategy Nat used to watch The Deer Hunter, that is only Meryl's parts... but I really planned to watch the whole film as I'll get the italian version, since I tried to watch it in English but Woody speaks to fast... =)<br />I love Kramer VS Kramer and I think Meryl deserved the Oscar for her performance of Johanna. But in my opinion the power of the movie stands on Dustin- little "Bill" couple. They are great together!<br />Meryl is in the movie for no more than 30 minutes I guess, but all her scens are really intense. I read lots of articles about the making of KvsK and found out that in that was a particular period for her and her mood suited perfectly with the story. There would be many aneddocts to talk about about the movie: for example, the fact that Meryl didn't follow the script literally and many of her lines were added by herself (genius!), the problematic relation with Dustin ( I've read that he didin't like her)...<br />Anyway, great movie! So deep, so real... Johanna is not a nice carachter but Meryl did umanized it! <br />And actually I liked this movie much more than The French Lieutenant's woman... still can't understand why everyone consider it a sort of "masterpiece". I think it's a movie under the average, apart from the great couple Irons-Streep... but truly belive that Meryl best performances have been others: KvsK, Silkwood, Out of Africa, Postcards, The Hours, The Devil... and the unforgettable SOPHIE!Terrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-33635479690521081832009-06-18T08:01:59.856-04:002009-06-18T08:01:59.856-04:00I loved Manhattan, but it's a shame that Mery...I loved Manhattan, but it's a shame that Meryl and Woody didn't get along. She could be in so many of his films.Bernardonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-104987612587499542009-06-18T07:55:39.189-04:002009-06-18T07:55:39.189-04:00Not that I don't like Meryl in The French'...Not that I don't like Meryl in <i>The French's Lieutenant's Woman</i> but I think Kramer vs. Kramer is a better film - I'm a big fan of John Fowels ( who wrote "The Ftench ..." novel) and I don't think the film does the book justice. <br />Also, Meryl is very good in Kramer vs. Kramer but really, there were so may other very good performances in other melodramas that weren't even considered for a nomination... I think she was much better in anything she was in the last 10 years then in Kramer . Again, not that she wasn't good, but if you look at her career as a whole, that role is just the tip of the iceberg.adelutzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01500491363721543846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-28475314432401055232009-06-18T07:45:54.795-04:002009-06-18T07:45:54.795-04:00I used to be a huge defender of Kramer winning the...I used to be a huge defender of <i>Kramer</i> winning the Oscar, until I finally watched <i>All That Jazz</i> and had to eat my words. Despite that, I still maintain that it actually is a worthy film that gets a tough time because of the more obvious <b>flashbangwow</b> of its competitors. <br /><br />It's interesting, I watched it a while ago with my mother and little sister. My mam and I had seen it before, but my sis hadn't and it was REALLY interesting to see that, in the courtroom scene, my sis had the least ambiguous reaction to the characters. She felt Joanna Kramer had done the wrong thing and was the definite villain of the piece.<br /><br />[SPOILER WARNING, IN CASE ANYONE READING HASN'T SEEN THE FILM YET(?!?)]<br />Also, my absolute favourite moment is at the end, when she visits Dustin Hoffman at the apartment to give up custody. She's in the elevator and just before the doors slide shut, she begins patting down her hair and wiping her eyes. "How do I look?". Dustin Hoffman smiles, a little sadly, "Terrific". The look on Meryl Streep's face at that point KILLS me. It's so surprised and grateful and tender. I love it.Catherinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09258493877737555910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59220843983571185132009-06-18T03:20:18.913-04:002009-06-18T03:20:18.913-04:00Despite the fact that the seventies featured some ...Despite the fact that the seventies featured some of the most groundbreaking cinema ever made, Oscar messed it up and closed the decade by awarding the two worst movies from their respective years two times in a row (78 and 79... and 80 wasn't so good either...).<br />The one thing both Best Picture winners have in common is that Meryl completely owns them.<br />She is terrific in Kramer, but I would've preferred to see her lose that year and then get Oscar number one for "The French's Lieutenant's Woman" two years later.<br />I often wonder how different would Oscar history be if Meryl hadn't won the two so fast. Would we be discussing a 5th win or something like that by now?Notas Sobre Creación Cultural e Imaginarios Socialeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01423835555933819338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-84611250952613869902009-06-18T02:42:56.556-04:002009-06-18T02:42:56.556-04:00Loved this write-up on Kramer.
Barbara Harris is ...Loved this write-up on <i>Kramer</i>.<br /><br />Barbara Harris is great in <i>Joe Tynan</i> if you can ever track it down, and I remember really liking the whole movie, though I saw it more than ten years ago (!).NicksFlickPickshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04607501848596529493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-14685399641483418132009-06-18T02:21:55.754-04:002009-06-18T02:21:55.754-04:00Nat, why didn't you mention Streep's court...Nat, why didn't you mention Streep's courtroom scene when she's being interrogated by the lawyer or that teary ending? Her realizations and mannerisms are heartbreaking. Streep's performance in KRAMER VS. KRAMER is in my top five for her.<br /><br />Adored her in MANHATTAN. She's simply great in that film, but who isn't? Mariel Hemingway was best in show.Kentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-71030864371392369272009-06-18T01:36:09.291-04:002009-06-18T01:36:09.291-04:00When I tried to locate Seduction of Joe Tynan last...When I tried to locate Seduction of Joe Tynan last summer it was a bitch to find. I ended up buying it in beta form off ebay and having it transfered to DVD. I don't know if it was worth the effort. There's one really excellent scene that's on youtube, but the movie isn't too bad.Lenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17021060795270695475noreply@blogger.com