tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post5354182095857036228..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Bob Fosse, PosterizedNATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-18729204859697231902010-07-25T21:08:11.577-04:002010-07-25T21:08:11.577-04:00I'm embarrassed to admit I've only seen on...I'm embarrassed to admit I've only seen one of these - All That Jazz, and that I haven't seen in...way too long. I saw it twice in my late teens and was completely blown away by it's brilliance. (It does sag a little in the middle section, but completely redeems any flaws in the closing number. Awesome.) That film is completely - alive is the only way I know how to put it. Alive and bursting at the seams with energy.<br /><br />When I watched the movie Nine a couple of weeks ago I found myself comparing it less to Fellini's 8-1/2 than to All That Jazz - and Nine always came up wanting, except for Marion Cottilard's exceptional performance.<br /><br />BTW - watching that snippet from Kiss Me Kate, I think it's easy to forget how different and "modern" that style of choreography (also on display in "An American in Paris") was from what came before it in American film. And it still seems strikingly modern, and only a very little bit dated.Janicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08049113750769117163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-23082743859765049452010-07-24T10:08:07.371-04:002010-07-24T10:08:07.371-04:00Glenn -- it *was* because of you and I mean it whe...Glenn -- it *was* because of you and I mean it when i say that I am in your debt. The movie is a masterpiece. How did i not see it the first time? (I was too young, I guess)<br /><br />OtherRobert -- key being 'the right performers'. sadly, who can dance like that anymore... outside of Broadway i mean. and Hollywood doesn't care about actual musical talent.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-75634106549454127762010-07-24T09:20:59.940-04:002010-07-24T09:20:59.940-04:00I still think Lenny is one of the most underrated ...I still think Lenny is one of the most underrated biopics of all time and arguably Hoffman's finest work.Brian Zhttp://www.examiner.com/x-1550-Seattle-Movie-Examiner~y2010m7d2-Top-10-movies-of-2010so-farnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-22931690898416302402010-07-23T20:40:45.274-04:002010-07-23T20:40:45.274-04:00Nathaniel, Sweet Charity is two and a half hours. ...Nathaniel, <i>Sweet Charity</i> is two and a half hours. Since we talk so much these days about broadway shows merely being filmed and put into cinemas, I think the same concept that be applied to <i>Sweet Charity</i>. There's a lot in that movie that could've been axed and made a fantastic 100minute musical. "Big Spender" and "Frug" are indeed brilliant (although I wouldn't rank them as Fosse's best work necessarily).<br /><br />Was it because of me that you rewatched <i>All That Jazz</i> that time when I wanted you to write about it as my donation gift?Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194113062830373898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-40217273820505586552010-07-23T16:27:24.929-04:002010-07-23T16:27:24.929-04:00I have had nightmares that I was cast in a show re...I have had nightmares that I was cast in a show recreating Fosse choreography and managed to break every bone below my hips in one single motion. The difficulty level in what that man choreographed is mind-blowing, but the results are worth it when the right performers do it. That Gwen Verdon number is one of them.OtherRoberthttp://tothesublime.tknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-22928279846613269082010-07-23T16:07:29.131-04:002010-07-23T16:07:29.131-04:00We probably would have gotten another musical if h...We probably would have gotten another musical if he lived another year or two. What would he have chosen? Sweeney may have been nagging at him while he filmed All That Jazz. Who for Sweeney and Lovett, though? 37-45 year old Brits with great singing voices circa 1990. Any suggestions?Volvagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-27392146193492432352010-07-23T15:59:28.865-04:002010-07-23T15:59:28.865-04:00liza with a z was for television yes. but by god i...liza with a z was for television yes. but by god its wonderful. i can't even believe how magnetic Liza is circa 72.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-39294544040337794522010-07-23T15:58:20.565-04:002010-07-23T15:58:20.565-04:00Steam Heat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szHqIX...Steam Heat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0szHqIXQ2R8cal rothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59372924267776218872010-07-23T15:54:30.130-04:002010-07-23T15:54:30.130-04:00I've seen all his 5 movies. Liza is tv, right?...I've seen all his 5 movies. Liza is tv, right?<br /><br />I love-love all but Star 80, and I can't really believe people think Sweet Charity is a failure? It has Fosse's 2 best sequences: Hey Big Spender and Rich Man's Frug.<br /><br />MacLaine is really nice, and I love the fact that Fellini is only a distant memory (how could anyone try to fight Nights of Cabiria?), an inspiration. It's not a remake, thank God!<br /><br />I've just named Fosse's 2 best sequences. Make them three: His "Steam Heat in Stanley Donen's Pajama Game is incredible.cal rothnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35560886016836800792010-07-23T15:46:16.142-04:002010-07-23T15:46:16.142-04:00When I saw the brilliant Cabaret I didn't thin...When I saw the brilliant <i>Cabaret</i> I didn't think it could get much better, but <i>All That Jazz</i> just blew that film out of the water. It's a masterpiece and one of my favorite films ever. That opening scene has to be one of the best ever and "Air-otica" was just...wow. You're so right about Scheider and Palmer's performances, it's great that Roy was recognized but Leland Palmer was so damn good! And I fall in love with Ann Reinking in everything I see her in. The whole cast was flawless in my opinion, my God what a movie!<br /><br />They've started playing <i>Liza With a Z</i> on tv alot and it was on tv yesterday and I watched in awe, and yet I never seem to catch <i>Star 80</i> even though it's constantly being played as well. <i>Sweet Charity</i> is definitely my least favorite, but the choreography is brilliant and I'm a sucker for Shirley. I've never seen <i>Lenny</i> either but it's definitely on my list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-28832995724439943672010-07-23T14:16:48.578-04:002010-07-23T14:16:48.578-04:00I like Rob Marshall's Chicago (2002) just fine...<i>I like Rob Marshall's Chicago (2002) just fine but it's hard not to think about what Fosse's version would have been like.</i><br /><br />Now <i>that</i> would have been something else. In fact it would be fun to re-think all of the musicals made in this past decade and how they would have turned out if he'd helmed them. And I would include the ones that aren't 'dance-oriented' too, like Sweeney, as he did prove himself to be a solid director and not merely a choreographer in a director's chair.Alison Flynnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-53573506577135281432010-07-23T14:11:01.734-04:002010-07-23T14:11:01.734-04:00I've seen all of them except Lenny. Is that a...I've seen all of them except Lenny. Is that any good? The actors in it have scared me away all these years.<br /><br />I have fond memories of Star 80 (which I saw in the theater on its release). I think I was the only one at the time.<br /><br />I think Cabaret and All That Jazz are darn near perfect and I've probably seen Cabaret at least 20 times. All That Jazz maybe 10 times (though I may have worn out my VHS tape watching Airotica over and over ;-).<br /><br />I didn't see Liza With A Z when it came out, but I've subsequently watched it a lot. Fosse even made Liza look like a fantastic dancer. Amazing.Dave in Alamitos Beachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-41880815906423677122010-07-23T13:44:15.000-04:002010-07-23T13:44:15.000-04:00off-topic but I'm really happy you love the HB...off-topic but I'm really happy you love the HBO version of Angels in America. I made my mom see it and she loved it too. She was amazed when she found out that the same person who directed it made ...Virginia Woolf, The Graduate etc.James Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16055933146552583102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-48488572129565498752010-07-23T13:32:26.099-04:002010-07-23T13:32:26.099-04:00I've only seen Cabaret, but in my defense, I&#...I've only seen Cabaret, but in my defense, I'm only 17. Haha. But Cabaret is one of my favorite movies ever. God. I just love it. It speaks to me so well. Liza is amazing. The movie is amazing.<br /><br />I remember there were rumors a while back that "Zeéeee" was going to play Sally Bowles in a remake of Cabaret and I was praying that it was false. Luckily, the plans were apparently dropped.<br /><br />I also want to see All That Jazz.<br />And yes, please let the 3D die down again!!Philipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-17899139775544421572010-07-23T12:37:10.319-04:002010-07-23T12:37:10.319-04:00I've seen Sweet Charity, Cabaret and All That ...I've seen Sweet Charity, Cabaret and All That Jazz. Sometimes when I'm bored I like to revisit the Rich Man's Frug sequence on YouTube. So good!Walter L. Hollmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13636732594078157905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-39374106606923865382010-07-23T12:06:48.910-04:002010-07-23T12:06:48.910-04:003D: Please go away.
Thank you for reminding me to...3D: Please go away.<br /><br />Thank you for reminding me to put "All That Jazz" on my Netflix queue.lylee2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10072174471565738658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-46534644526459306212010-07-23T11:46:09.231-04:002010-07-23T11:46:09.231-04:00Deborah -- i'd give ALL THAT JAZZ another shot...Deborah -- i'd give ALL THAT JAZZ another shot. I thought it was good not great the first time. The second time I was like 'holy hell, what was i thinking! this is genius'...<br /><br />and now i just love it love it.<br /><br />i don't remember much about STAR 80 other than that i thought Eric Roberts was sensational (and slimy)<br /><br />and good point on movies needing to be true to themselves and not trying to be all things to all people. The best movies become universal just by being so specific (like CABARET)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59152326951011491002010-07-23T11:36:36.281-04:002010-07-23T11:36:36.281-04:00Sweet Charity is a magnificent failure. It's g...<b>Sweet Charity</b> is a magnificent failure. It's got great Fosse numbers but as a movie it sucks, in exactly the way so many movies of its era sucked—it tried to be old style Hollywood while adapting to 1960s sensibilities. It shoehorned the 60s in and looked foolish for doing so, like your grandparents trying to rap. For all of that, it's really worth seeing if you're a musical aficionado.<br /><br />Contrast with <b>Cabaret</b>, which is genius largely because it doesn't try to be anything but itself. Despite the dramatic changes from the stage musical, Cabaret is fundamentally true to itself. Liza has never been better.<br /><br /><b>Lenny</b> is the one that shows us that Fosse was a director, not a choreographer sitting in the director's chair. Awesome. Brilliant. Startling.<br /><br /><b>All That Jazz</b> I found mediocre and overblown when I saw it sometime in the 1980s, and have been meaning to revisit it. <br /><br />I keep seeing parts of <b>Star 80</b> because it is so richly praised, but have never managed to see the whole thing.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05061313079120981794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-65985533349198755552010-07-23T11:33:42.762-04:002010-07-23T11:33:42.762-04:00Aaaaand I've seen none of them. I suck. But I ...Aaaaand I've seen none of them. I suck. But I am very much interested in seeing "Cabaret" eventually.Treynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-61191572253814677022010-07-23T11:27:31.948-04:002010-07-23T11:27:31.948-04:00Pedro -- paul taylor eh? I should investigate. The...Pedro -- paul taylor eh? I should investigate. The names i hear most often (and whose work i'm most familiar with is Graham & Fosse since i've seen their work performed many times --- as well as ripoffs many times ;) <br /><br />Glenn -- you think Sweet Charity is bad? I mean, it's not great but it has such marvelous moments. anyway. I don't remember Lenny or Star 80 well at all so i should probably rewatch. I do remember that I was WAY too young to see Star 80 when i saw it because it totally upset me.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-57086205174903400572010-07-23T11:06:11.625-04:002010-07-23T11:06:11.625-04:00Not to rain in anybody's parade, but Paul Tayl...Not to rain in anybody's parade, but Paul Taylor (who is still alive) is considered the best coreographer of the 20th Century. <br /><br />I've seen four: Cabaret, All That Jazz, Star 80 and Liza with a Z. My favorite (and one of my favorite movies ever in an ever-changing list) is Cabaret (my favorite movie of all time is 2001: A Space Odyssey, followed closely by Psycho, E.T., Some Like It Hot and Cabaret).Pedrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11945607431696039228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-29884613176040201302010-07-23T10:57:07.571-04:002010-07-23T10:57:07.571-04:00I recognize the flaws in "Sweet Charity"...I recognize the flaws in "Sweet Charity", but it still gets me every time. It's gotten to the point where I like, get sad right from the start just because I know what's coming. I'm a mess after watching that movie.Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-8980664834420388862010-07-23T10:43:49.287-04:002010-07-23T10:43:49.287-04:00I've seen all six. Sweet Charity being the wor...I've seen all six. <i>Sweet Charity</i> being the worst and the only of them that I'd consider a bad movied, great sequences such as "Big Spender" notwithstanding. <br /><br /><i>All That Jazz</i> is my favourite film ever, and it'll be damn hard to beat it (but with so much historical cinema to see and so much in the decades ahead I can never rule it out). It's such a perfectly condensing of everything that can be perfect about cinema. The music, the energy, the technical skills, the acting, the way even a man's death bed can be the most life-affirming thing I've ever seen.<br /><br />That <i>Cabaret</i> is his <b>second</b> greatest film is astonishing since most directors don't get a film that good once in their life.<br /><br /><i>Star 80</i> is best for the performances of Roberts and Hemmingway, <i>Liza with a Z</i> for the balls out entertainment of Liza Minellii and <i>Lenny</i> is like <i>Star 80</i> but with so much more going on.<br /><br />Gah! what a man, and what a career!Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194113062830373898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-74615700838773576112010-07-23T09:37:52.937-04:002010-07-23T09:37:52.937-04:00I'd imagine that the American musical would ha...I'd imagine that the American musical would have never experienced a lull as a genre had Fosse not passed through life so quickly.The Jaded Armchair Reviewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511211427198395696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-60073794774129706262010-07-23T09:37:47.846-04:002010-07-23T09:37:47.846-04:00par -- top 12? So you do multiples of 6 as well? ...par -- top 12? So you do multiples of 6 as well? You're so versatile.<br /><br />now i want to hear the other ten.<br /><br />Nick -- watch them in order and see the amazements build and comment on each other!NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.com