tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post6730349012069385128..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Madonna... Tick Tock, Tick Tock, Tick TockNATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-68234442015448409882008-04-08T19:44:00.000-04:002008-04-08T19:44:00.000-04:00The Madonna Mafia strikes back !You're wrong, kami...The Madonna Mafia strikes back !<BR/><BR/>You're wrong, kamikaze camel.<BR/><BR/>I LIKE Madonna, I even own some of her CD's, I think she's one of the best POP artists that has ever lived. <BR/><BR/>I like her toughness, her attitude and the fact that not two albums are alike. <BR/><BR/>That doesn't mean she's a genius or even a great artist. A great POP artist, maybe, but it's not that difficult, considering that someone computerize her voice and make sound and vocal arrangements for her. <BR/><BR/>She's fun to listen to, I enjoy listening to her songs when I'm working out, but it's not like she's a great/gifted singer/musician.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-14484260303991149172008-04-07T14:35:00.000-04:002008-04-07T14:35:00.000-04:00good points SteveI hate when people dismiss her li...good points Steve<BR/><BR/>I hate when people dismiss her like they're superior. One of the reasons that makes me angry is her incredible drive. I mean can you imagine another popstar of her stature learning guitar in their 40s? or taking voice lessons after selling 100s of millions of records?<BR/><BR/>that's commitment to her own growth artistically.<BR/><BR/>so many people just coast. actors are the same. Only the best or most committed continue to push themselves after phenomenal success has come their wayNATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-84919620139543584512008-04-07T14:17:00.000-04:002008-04-07T14:17:00.000-04:00It seems that Madonna's popularity is the biggest ...It seems that Madonna's popularity is the biggest criticism people have - she's popular so she must not be great. That's an odd phenomenon that occurs in the music world. More frequently than in other areas of art/entertainment (although it certainly happens everywhere).<BR/><BR/>Of course, she doesn't have an amazing voice, but isn't that kind of beside the point? It's not as if Bob Dylan, The Beatles, or any number of other artists have/had world-class pipes. They more than suffice, particularly in conjunction with their formidable gifts on the creative side of music-making. <BR/><BR/>She's not as edgy now, in the way we like to think of the word. But maybe that against-the-grain mentality is manifesting itself in different ways as she ages (rebelling against expectations regarding the type of music a woman her age should produce).<BR/><BR/>Either way, it's impossible to deny her importance to the industry and her influence on pop culture. Or that she's stretched herself creatively more than almost any other artist - is there a genre of music she hasn't explored?<BR/><BR/>I'm no die-hard fan, but I like enough of her stuff (Like a Prayer and Frozen being my favorites). This one does nothing for me, really, though I don't think it's as bad now as I did when I first heard it. The beat/music is killer, but it's the lyrics/singing that bug me.<BR/><BR/>Glenn, re: American fear of dance, preference for hip hop.<BR/><BR/>I think you're misdiagnosing, since dance music is often very successful (although America does produce so much music that it's hard for foreign artists to penetrate) and there's nothing particularly anti-dance going on. Hip Hop, R&B, and rap are uniquely American in many ways (for obvious reasons), so the culture obviously embraces that kind of music a bit more. And so, of course, there's a lot more of it here, which ivariably means a lot of is bad. Having spent some time in Europe and, by extension, European bars and clubs, I know that there is as much awful pure dance music as there is awful rap/hip hop/whatever. It's just a function of whatever's popular - people are going to mass-produce it to get rich quick and so there's going to be a lot shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-40345225175574221572008-04-07T10:35:00.000-04:002008-04-07T10:35:00.000-04:00"She appeals to people who've never heard music. W..."<I>She appeals to people who've never heard music. Who proably can't read a score. Who probably never studied music. Who have probably never heard of other forms of music outside pop and r'n'b.</I>"<BR/><BR/>Gepetto, you realise you're being incredibly insulting and condescending right? You realise you're being as ingloriously stupid as you're making Madonna out to be. right? You're saying that the, what? 250 million people who have bought a Madonna record/single/whatever throughout her 25 years don't know music?<BR/><BR/>And do people need to be able to read music or have studied music in order to appreciate it? By your standards nobody who has never made a film can begin to critique one either. My two favourite artists are Madonna and Bruce Springsteen. Somehow I've managed to own every Bruce Springsteen album despite also liking Madonna. How ever did I manage that?<BR/><BR/>You obviously just hate Madonna the person because even those who didn't appreciate her in the '80s acknowledge her talent. Artists can have a successful album or two if they're completely untalented as you say Madonna is, but nobody (<B>NOBODY</B>) can have a 25-year career without it.<BR/><BR/>Are you the same way about movies? Movies that aim to entertain mass audiences are all instantly scum and only depressing russian art films about turtle doves are worthy of acclaim?Glenn Dunkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05424659636310160482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-22411296834151026042008-04-06T21:52:00.000-04:002008-04-06T21:52:00.000-04:00Um, I don't think I ever said she was a Saint. I t...Um, I don't think I ever said she was a Saint. I think I merely said that she doesn't embody "everything that's wrong with America." Last time I checked, those weren't the same thing.<BR/><BR/>And how do all of her virtues prevent her from being edgy? Do you need to look like Amy Winehouse to be a rebel? She doesn't need any of that to be daring. She just is. <BR/><BR/>I've never even owned a Madonna album--I don't presume to be a big fan of hers. I just have respect for her as a performer and icon, as every music lover should. And of course I'm not twelve. What a ridiculous thing to say.Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13622435513032131426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-6447361316966308052008-04-06T21:14:00.000-04:002008-04-06T21:14:00.000-04:00Poor Hayden,how old are you ? 12 ?If she was such ...Poor Hayden,<BR/><BR/>how old are you ? 12 ?<BR/><BR/>If she was such a daring artist, or a "rebel" as she likes to think she is, she would laugh at your list. <BR/><BR/>Give her the Nobel Prize already. She's a Saint !!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-72819877056728770782008-04-06T21:09:00.000-04:002008-04-06T21:09:00.000-04:00Haha. How does she embody what's wrong with Americ...Haha. How does she embody what's wrong with America? <BR/>She's healthy. <BR/>She's in a stable relationship. <BR/>She has a strong work ethic. <BR/>She's socially conscious. <BR/>She doesn't do drugs. <BR/>She's committed to her religion. <BR/>She's takes care of her children. <BR/>I challenge you to pull a random American off the street and to see if they meet these standards.Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13622435513032131426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-89293032076131338182008-04-06T16:27:00.000-04:002008-04-06T16:27:00.000-04:00actually Madonna can play both drums and guitar.bu...actually Madonna can play both drums and guitar.<BR/><BR/>but you obviously just want to hate on her gepetto. ;)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-45194708395566594982008-04-06T15:48:00.000-04:002008-04-06T15:48:00.000-04:00Madonna Fans are really the worst.Worse than Blanc...Madonna Fans are really the worst.<BR/><BR/>Worse than Blanchett Fans. <BR/><BR/>Do you realize that the only talent of Madonna resides in exercizing (a lot) and marketing ?<BR/><BR/>She's a bad actress<BR/>She's a bad singer<BR/>She's a bad songwriter<BR/>She's a passable dancer (if you forget her awkward r'n'b moves)<BR/><BR/>She's considered an artist because people's musical tastes today are truly pathetic. She appeals to people who've never heard music. Who proably can't read a score. Who probably never studied music. Who have probably never heard of other forms of music outside pop and r'n'b. <BR/><BR/>I saw her on Parkinson two years ago. She couldn't sing if her life depended on it. <BR/><BR/>Her personality is interesting, obviously, because she embodies what's wrong with America and its culture of ego. <BR/><BR/>Can she play an instrument, like a professional ? No. <BR/><BR/>In fact, the best thing she's ever done is writing books for children. I think that's what she does best. Oh, and struting around in a revealing outfitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-80437525804359830352008-04-06T12:32:00.000-04:002008-04-06T12:32:00.000-04:00Why is it so hard for you to respect the monumenta...Why is it so hard for you to respect the monumental amount the woman has accomplished? You don't have to like her, but you can't deny that she's one of the most influential artists in pop music history.<BR/><BR/>Especially looking at today's outlook on disposable celebrity and ephemeral popularity, Madonna's one of the truest artists in the business. She's been popular over three decades and she hasn't had to compromise her vision to do it. I mean, you don't see her getting arrested, going to rehab, losing custody of her children--she's so disciplined and focused compared to today's stars. <BR/><BR/>Madonna doesn't need all of that to be edgy. She just is. And she's the last person in the industry who needs to sell out. She's a magnetic, sexual, engaging performer, no matter what she does. You don't have to like it, but it's foolish not to respect it. <BR/><BR/>And honestly, who cares what kind of an actress she is? She doesn't presume to be Meryl Streep. And furthermore, who are you to tell Nathaniel what he should and shouldn't discuss on <I>his</I> blog?Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13622435513032131426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-84486280170537499732008-04-06T11:27:00.000-04:002008-04-06T11:27:00.000-04:00it's still funny a movie site talking about a bad ...it's still funny a movie site talking about a bad actress and a bad singerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-18451956540915517152008-04-06T11:02:00.000-04:002008-04-06T11:02:00.000-04:00it is still funny a film site talking about a bad ...it is still funny a film site talking about a bad actress!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-83960330483964835882008-04-06T09:39:00.000-04:002008-04-06T09:39:00.000-04:00here's the thing i don't get: Madonna has ALWAYS b...here's the thing i don't get: Madonna has ALWAYS been a chameleon and no two records are the same. So why does everyone take each new project as the be all and end all. Why should a collaboration with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland be regarded as desperate pandering. It's just the new thing she's doing. She'll be on to something else on her 12th full studio album, you know?<BR/><BR/>the truth is that she's always been polarizing, people always want to proclaim she's "over" or "irrelevant" and she never will be any of those things.<BR/><BR/>she's too experimental, too shifting, and too vibrant as a star to ever be.<BR/><BR/>she's over when she's dead. <BR/><BR/>And even then, she's already up with there with The Beatles, Elvis and Michael Jackson so there's no killing her now.<BR/><BR/>one "sell out" with Timbaland if that's how you want to consider it cannot end a legend. ;)NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-71788766628099673762008-04-06T08:57:00.000-04:002008-04-06T08:57:00.000-04:00Apart from the shameless, desperate pandering to i...Apart from the shameless, desperate pandering to increasingly younger audiences, the main problem with her music now is that it is totally soulless. The last song of hers with half a heart that I remember was Get Together.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-76303240059001906612008-04-06T04:12:00.000-04:002008-04-06T04:12:00.000-04:00That's the thing - "4 Minutes" is just so retrogra...That's the thing - "4 Minutes" is just so retrograde and disappointing as a follow-up to the Confessions project. I mean, even the "tick tock" motif was more intriguingly done in "Hung Up" than it is here.<BR/><BR/>As for the "career nadir" comment - I still stand by it. The verses are tolerable but that bridge and chorus, I think, are just shockingly poor for a comeback song which is supposed to signal a new direction for Madonna. (I'm not counting 'N Sync work, Glenn, cheeky! - and "Hey You" was never an official release. The much-maligned American Life was actually the final and most interesting installment in Madonna's electrilogy. And this is the same old tired beat that Timbaland's been pimping to his lesser projects these past few years. I know my music! It's even more of an obsession than film, if that's possible!)<BR/><BR/>And I normally like videos with walking-dancing and fast moves and mirroring - but this one just looks so generic with its black and shinyness. And some of the moves Madonna throws are actually uncomfortable-looking and awkward (see 1:37 and 2:57...), which is strange for her. Again thinking back to what Johan Renck did with Madonna and the self-portrait concept in the "Hung Up" video, this becomes so lame in comparison. There is no sense of irony here - and R&B-pop is definitely not Madonna's thing.<BR/><BR/>But it's still good to see a pop music post on here inspiring 40 or so responses and genuine polarised discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-56399544916415416692008-04-06T03:36:00.000-04:002008-04-06T03:36:00.000-04:00"Her last huge #1 song was "Take A Bow,""Are you t..."Her last huge #1 song was "Take A Bow,""<BR/><BR/>Are you talking about in America? Cause I'm fairly sure "Hung Up", "Ray of Light" etc were all extremely popular. Did you not see that I mentioned "Hung Up" is the 42nd most successful single <B>OF ALL TIME!!!</B> America does NOT equal the be all end all.<BR/><BR/>"What has Madonna had to say on the last couple of albums? Let's dance?? Wow ... incredible statement."<BR/><BR/>Oh, you're one of <I>those</I> people. So what if <I>Confessions</I> wasn't about meaningful stuff. That's not what she set out to do. Just because it's not deep and meaningful and she didn't just sit around strumming a guitar like so many apparently "meaningful" artists do, doesn't mean it's not a worthy album. It was a DANCE album. Dance music can be some of the most brilliant, euphoric and life affirming music out there. And people who diss it because it's not "important" or whatever are just ignorant.<BR/><BR/>I'm very firm on that stance.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194113062830373898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-50500895444366965312008-04-05T23:55:00.000-04:002008-04-05T23:55:00.000-04:00@ mrripley - You're right ... I made a mistake abo...@ mrripley - You're right ... I made a mistake about HOLLYWOOD. <BR/><BR/>What has Madonna had to say on the last couple of albums? Let's dance?? Wow ... incredible statement.<BR/><BR/>HUNG UP is catchy because the song borrows heavily from a catchy song by ABBA; The lyrics, however, leave much to be desired. Nothing else on CONFESSIONS had much to say except perhaps SORRY. And most of it is desperately trying to catch up to the latest sounds. I definitely do not hear her "following her muse." Her pervious album had tanked (AMERICAN LIFE), and so she wanted to make a dance record in order to move more units.<BR/><BR/>The new album looks to repeat the "try to remain relevant" trick with help from currently-in-vogue producer Timbaland and J.T. on board. I have no problem with this as long as she has something interesting to say - but this FOUR MINUTES bullshit has nothing in its head at all.<BR/><BR/>Given what she's released since, I actually give AMERICAN LIFE more credit; at least she was attempting to make statements about things that concern her. I still hate that fucking MOTHER/FATHER song, though.<BR/><BR/>Here are my favorite Madonna Albums:<BR/><BR/>1. RAY OF LIGHT - Just a marvelous and experimental record. One of the best of the nineties.<BR/><BR/>2. LIKE A PRAYER - Completely revealed a songwriter beneath the posing.<BR/><BR/>3. MADONNA - Is there a better pure pop record out there (besides THRILLER?).<BR/><BR/>4. BEDTIME STORIES - Soft, wet, sometimes scary, and slightly somber, this is Madonna on a cold, hazy winter's day. <BR/><BR/>5. MUSIC - Wildly experimental, yet still catchy and pop-oriented. A great one/two punch with LIGHT.<BR/><BR/>My favorite Madonna singles:<BR/><BR/>1. FROZEN - Terrifying, desolate, radical. Even now I can't believe she pulled this one off.<BR/><BR/>2. BEDTIME STORY - Freakish, pulsating, and scary. Might be her best video, too.<BR/><BR/>3. CRAZY FOR YOU - Perfect pop ballad.<BR/><BR/>4. LIVE TO TELL - The one that showed the world she could write.<BR/><BR/>5. LIKE A PRAYER - How can you not want to sing along with this thing when it gets movin'?<BR/><BR/>honorable mention:<BR/><BR/>6. OH FATHER - Remarkable vocal performance, deep lyrics. Is she talking about her physical father or her spiritual one? <BR/><BR/>7. SECRET - Cryptic lyrics blend with funky guitars and drums for gritty set of lyrics.<BR/><BR/>8. EXPRESS YOURSELF - empowering song, well delivered.<BR/><BR/>9. TAKE A BOW - A song of resignation, dripping with regret.<BR/><BR/>10. LOVE TRIED TO WELCOME ME - a rarely heard gem. It's a little long, but the perspective and vocal performance are top-notch.<BR/><BR/>As you can see, I tend to prefer Madonna when she is pushing the envelope musically, while still retaining her melodic sensibilities. This instinct was once her greatest strength, but she has thrown it to the wind in order to try and emulate the garbage currently passing itself off as "music." <BR/><BR/>Oh - and one more thing. I have no problem with someone 50 years old trying to be sexy at all. And Madonna has the body, the money, and the technical backing to look sexy. However, there is nothing sexy about leaping around on cars in what must be charitably described as her worst video ever. She also isn't sexy doing yoga poses in the videos from the last video either. <BR/><BR/>Sexy is a quality that comes from within, and is derived from self-confidence. Madonna is not coming off that way these days. She is an elder statesman and a leader in today's music landscape. She should be setting examples and growing up, not crawling around on the floor and copying trends so that 15 year olds might still like her. <BR/><BR/>Sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-66568150850392120462008-04-05T20:00:00.000-04:002008-04-05T20:00:00.000-04:00ray u don't know your madonna so you are no expert...ray u don't know your madonna so you are no expert to speak about her here's why<BR/><BR/>I definitely disagree with you about the so-called tunes on CONFESSIONS. Hung Up is fun but pointless, Hollywood is okay. Sorry is okay!<BR/><BR/>hollywood was on american life,tunes were what coadf where about how high,like it or not,sorry & jump were all v good potential singles and hung up is simply one of her best ever songs.<BR/><BR/>i am leaning toward defence of her now like nat.<BR/><BR/>she is relevent she has to be more now more than ever! more relevent than beyonce or mariah,she pushes everyones button look at this a film blog talking about a bad actress!!!!<BR/><BR/>she has made some of the best pop records of the last 25 years holiday,vogue,cherish,like a prayer,hing up,express youself,open your heart,secret,like a virgin,angel,material girl,music & hollywood to name a few.<BR/><BR/>for true examples of her best work check out<BR/>true blue best pop album ever<BR/>ray of light the best comeback album ever!!!<BR/>confessions on a dancefloor best party cd ever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-16032373545553584142008-04-05T16:52:00.000-04:002008-04-05T16:52:00.000-04:00See Nathaniel, I completely agree with you on the ...See Nathaniel, I completely agree with you on the whole ageism issue. Personally, I lost my virginity with someone 20 years older than me lol , so I'm all for 50-year old naked, whether it's Viggo or Madonna. <BR/><BR/>BUT Viggo does look his age.. he doesn't try to pass for a 3o-year old. he's sexy because he's a handsome 50-year old, not because his face is smooth or soft or spotless.<BR/><BR/>You didn't say anything about "Magde" and Timberlake's lack of chemistry.. Don't you think it could have been sexier ?<BR/><BR/>of course it could, but they didn't want to shock conservative America. <BR/><BR/>Yet she did not seem to mind when she kissed Britney and Aguilera at the MTV Awards back then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-75618941385353496372008-04-05T16:02:00.000-04:002008-04-05T16:02:00.000-04:00Oh yeah and it's not a moving sidewalk they're on....Oh yeah and it's not a moving sidewalk they're on. It's a check-out center at a grocery store. Much more original.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-81345949459405811282008-04-05T14:47:00.000-04:002008-04-05T14:47:00.000-04:00There's something really Carrie Bradshaw-esque abo...There's something really Carrie Bradshaw-esque about her hair/lingerie/movement in parts of this video. SJP could spoof this pretty easily for an award show or something.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-62654758714458289742008-04-05T14:45:00.000-04:002008-04-05T14:45:00.000-04:00i see what you're saying but I disagree that we'd ...i see what you're saying but I disagree that we'd all look good with the right amount of lighting and such. I mean she is wearing skin tight clothing and she is still in very good shape. she should be a hero to older people, not an embarrassment.<BR/><BR/>i wish she hadn't done plastic surgery too but it's a small quibble.<BR/><BR/>I just hate the pervasive ageism in our culture. I reject the notion that people shouldn't be sexual past 40. I hate even contemplating life without that as part of it.<BR/><BR/>and as daemon says about Confessions that was contre-courant so I don't see how that's Madonna trying to stay relevant? she was following her muse. And sure it's obvious to go with Timberlake and Timbaland but she's always been a mix of commerce and art. <BR/><BR/>this isn't new.<BR/><BR/>Madonna IS relevant. No other pop star can touch her for staying power or the ability to get people talking or even the consistency of their recordings.<BR/><BR/>i'm not about to stop defending her (i've been doing it since the beginning) but it's weird to me that I still have to. I refuse to be mopey about this when she's given me so much for my entertainment dollar. I'll go on dancing.<BR/><BR/>fwiw ---my favorite Madonna records<BR/><BR/>1. RAY OF LIGHT<BR/>2. LIKE A PRAYER<BR/>3. CONFESSIONS...<BR/><BR/>Her most misunderstood/undervalued record: AMERICAN LIFE<BR/><BR/>her worst full album: BEDTIME STORIES or I'M BREATHLESS though both have their moments.<BR/><BR/>my 10 favorite Mo songs<BR/>1. LIKE A PRAYER<BR/>2. EROTICA<BR/>3. FROZEN <BR/>4. INTO THE GROOVE<BR/>5. OPEN YOUR HEART<BR/>6. RAIN<BR/>7. VOGUE<BR/>8. RAY OF LIGHT<BR/>9. CHERISH<BR/>10.YOU'LL SEENATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59248323320970819872008-04-05T14:17:00.000-04:002008-04-05T14:17:00.000-04:00Oh, and as far as the "if you have a great body at...Oh, and as far as the "if you have a great body at 50, show it off" comment ... <BR/><BR/>Perez and others have shown pictures of Maddy without makeup, lighting, and soft-focus photography. She doesn't look so great in that light. Her body is fit for her age, but she's not 20 anymore. <BR/><BR/>She looks good with all of the technology thrown in, as we all would. So ... that means she's only doing it to try and look younger, not show off something she actually has.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-36957968856189414412008-04-05T14:14:00.000-04:002008-04-05T14:14:00.000-04:00When I said "last two albums," I was referring to ...When I said "last two albums," I was referring to CONFESSIONS and this one, not MUSIC. <BR/><BR/>I definitely disagree with you about the so-called tunes on CONFESSIONS. Hung Up is fun but pointless, Hollywood is okay. Sorry is okay. None of it even remotely touches any of the pop classics in her catalogue. Hell, they don't even touch something weird from her past like Bedtime Story. <BR/><BR/>As far as aging gracefully, here's where pop culture nutcases have it wrong. Growing old is part of life. We have all seen how fucked up people look getting plastic surgery to look young - it's pathetic and scary. <BR/><BR/>In Maddy's case, she has had some clever work done, but mostly I watch her cavorting with 20 year olds and I think she looks pathetic. It was fine for her to do so in BORDERLINE, but she was 20 years old then. A woman like her who completely defined pop music and culture for a decade or two now suddenly runs behind it in a sad attempt to be relevant to kids. <BR/><BR/>I look at someone like Annie Lennox, and I see a woman able to cope with her aging. She actually flaunts her age in photos, daring people to reject her. It shows bravery and depth to do so. She also makes the kind of music dear to her, critics and fans be damned. And, whaddaya know, they STAY WITH HER ANYWAY!<BR/><BR/>Maddy would do well to look at Annie's example, before she becomes some sort of irrelevant circus freak.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-84407066699320618012008-04-05T14:10:00.000-04:002008-04-05T14:10:00.000-04:00as much as I would like to appreciate this as a lo...as much as I would like to appreciate this as a long time Madonna fan I just can't get over the fact that she chose to collaborate with that obnoxious troll of Timberlake, I just can't.<BR/><BR/>I rather listen the Immaculate collection.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com