tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post7066226279329996780..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: SAG NominationsNATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-46937068983310837402008-12-20T12:58:00.000-05:002008-12-20T12:58:00.000-05:00Wanted to ask a rather delayed question Nathaniel,...Wanted to ask a rather delayed question Nathaniel, though i'm not sure it will be answered since this topic is now further down the FE homepage.<BR/>I know you said that Benjamin Button is not really an actors film, but i'm curious (no pun intended)as to why you think it will win the SAG for Best Ensemble.<BR/>CheersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-60185742282157427312008-12-19T14:26:00.000-05:002008-12-19T14:26:00.000-05:00Predictions:Ensemble: DoubtActor: LangellaActress:...Predictions:<BR/>Ensemble: Doubt<BR/>Actor: Langella<BR/>Actress: Streep<BR/>Supp Actor: Downey, Jr.<BR/>Supp Actress: Cruz<BR/>Stunts: Dark KnightAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59973433000752808852008-12-19T10:31:00.000-05:002008-12-19T10:31:00.000-05:00Yes, I think that Dev Patel's performance is one o...Yes, I think that Dev Patel's performance is one of the best of the year and should be recognized, even in light of what's being snubbed. I wouldn't be going through this exchange with you if I thought otherwise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-82264064219352680742008-12-19T10:03:00.000-05:002008-12-19T10:03:00.000-05:00styx --believe me when i say I know that that's "t...styx --believe me when i say I know that that's "the way it goes"<BR/><BR/>but i'm kind of an idealist. It's masochistic of me sure but the more idealist loud mouths like me ;) awards people hear from the more they MIGHT actually think about what they're voting on rather than scribbling their favorite film down in every category.<BR/><BR/>but yes... that's the way it goes. It's like AMY ADAMS getting all these nominations. 100 actresses could have done that part just as well --I love Amy Adams but that is hardly "best of the year" work . It's not even <I>her</I> best work... so why not nominate someone who is really stretching or breaking through or doing something unique than going "ooh, DOUBT has such good acting I'll just put it in every category"<BR/><BR/>ARGH<BR/><BR/>as for liking dev patel's acting without your taste being in question... i really am not trying to insult anybody (i apologize if that's the way it comes off) i'm just asking: do you think that's one of <I>the</I> FIVE best performances of the year? And the follow up question... particularly for SAG voters is how many movies did you see?<BR/><BR/>I just wish they would all take their jobs more seriously. (all 25 nominations come from only 15 movies with literally HALF of the individual performance nominees also enjoying double nominations? it's SO stingy. IT MAKES ME CRAZY. So many fine actors they could honor...NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-70690081715757360532008-12-19T09:48:00.000-05:002008-12-19T09:48:00.000-05:00I'm not "ignoring" anything. Can't I like Dev Pat...I'm not "ignoring" anything. Can't I like Dev Patel's acting without having my tastes called into question? If that knocks out someone else in the process, that's just the way it goes. There's only five slots, and I wouldn't call supporting actor such a deep category this year that Patel's nomination is keeping so many out of a possible nomination. Yeah, I would have liked Bill Irwin or James Franco to gain more traction, but they aren't. I'm also not saying that "Slumdog Millionaire" should be nominated for 20 Oscars, but I thought the film was excellent, and I like seeing it being received in this way. You didn't like it. Got it. But that doesn't mean that everyone that likes it is simply going on autopilot with the love. The love could actually be genuine and its awards prospects earned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59002887150535184412008-12-19T07:38:00.000-05:002008-12-19T07:38:00.000-05:00par good point.it's also frustrating that so many ...<B>par</B> good point.<BR/><BR/>it's also frustrating that so many media pundits write it up in such a way that it gives SAG more credence than it deserves.<BR/><BR/>i keep reading <I>significant overlap</I>with Oscar voters. But, unless they changed the rules (which they might have) SAG has a random drawing for the nominating committee and SAG has, what, 90,000 members (?) whereas AMPAS only has 1,000ish actors. <BR/><BR/>I've had friends that have been on SAG's nominating committee who have basically only done bit parts. They aren't AMPAS members. All the actors in AMPAS are SAG members yes. But 1000 out of 90000 is not significant overlap. Especially when you consider that the other 89000 are eligible to be on the nominating committee ;)<BR/><BR/>but i'm bad at math. I'm just theorizing here.<BR/><BR/>Glenn's right that a lot of GG + SAG have not won awards.<BR/><BR/><B>styx</B> this argument "i love the film so i'm glad it's happening" is the whole frustration though. You can love a film and realize that the lead performance (Dev Patel) is not great acting. If you love the film and you're an AMPAS actor, why not just nominate it for Best Picture? Why bless totally standard performances with "best of the year" citations that become history when that means you have to ignore actually amazing work by long time professionals with great careers AND have the film you love competing for best picture.<BR/><BR/>I don't get the all or nothing approach to nominations. I say look at the category name and nominate accordingly.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-59640838147071302612008-12-19T03:27:00.000-05:002008-12-19T03:27:00.000-05:00I'm so happy for Kate... she can turn any role int...I'm so happy for Kate... she can turn any role into magic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-84448823607033003772008-12-19T01:25:00.000-05:002008-12-19T01:25:00.000-05:00the "fact sheet" that came with the SAG nomination...the "fact sheet" that came with the SAG nominations listed ralph fiennes previous nominations - including best male lead and motion picture cast for <I>shakespeare in love</I><BR/><BR/>how seriously are we meant to take an awards body that can't even tell the fiennes brothers apart?par3182https://www.blogger.com/profile/03647653154201086767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-17105819380251971262008-12-19T00:57:00.000-05:002008-12-19T00:57:00.000-05:00Jim/Anon - I wrote this entry last year that lists...Jim/Anon - I wrote <A HREF="http://stalepopcornau.blogspot.com/2007/12/just-for-sag-record.html" REL="nofollow">this entry</A> last year that lists all the acts who were nominated for SAG and for Golden Globes and then failed to get an Oscar nom. Names include Zhang Ziyi, Russell Crowe, Richard Gere, Dennis Quaid, Hayden Christensen, Maria Bello, Cate Blanchett, Jim Carrey, Jane Horrocks and Anjelica Houston. Plus, add Ryan Gosling from last year and that's a very good argument for "SAG + GG doesn't necessarily = Oscar"<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't it scary if Dev Patel pulled a Keisha Castle-Hughes and wound up in Best Actor?!? LOL. And Nat, you keep saying <I>Slumdog</I> has no way of losing. Well, neither did <I>Brokeback Mountain</I> and people always point to SAG for giving their ensemble prize to something else as a bellwether to a possible Oscar upset. If something like <I>Milk</I> or <I>Button</I> can pull off the ensemble prize (very likely, no?) then who's to say it can't pull off the surprise at the Oscars?<BR/><BR/>And, seriously, I keep getting a feeling that Kate Winslet is going to get an Oscar nod for Best Actress, but for <I>The Reader</I> instead of <I>Rev. Road</I>. Crazy, I know...<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the SAG nominees this year are lame. Last year <I>Michael Clayton</I> got three acting noms and no ensemble so why not this year with <I>Doubt</I>?Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194113062830373898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-85452026899889437542008-12-18T22:47:00.000-05:002008-12-18T22:47:00.000-05:00Like everyone else has mentioned, this race seems ...Like everyone else has mentioned, this race seems so much more volatile than previous years. I don't know if it's b/c of the crowded fields or the constant surprises/snubs, but it's getting more and more interesting.<BR/>I have to agree with Nathaniel on a lot. First off, is there really a need to nominate the cast of Doubt when basically all of them already got a nod? That spot could have gone to a plethora of other equally deserving casts. Also, I really didn't anticipate Brad getting in over Leo, seeing as that the role of the latter's seems so much more demanding and up SAG's alley than the former's. That's just my feeling; I could be wrong. On the plus side, I like the Jenkins mention, although it did come at Leo's expense.<BR/>Best Actress is a complete tossup. The Sally snub was slightly surprising when considering she's won about 75% of the critics' awards. Melissa Leo is definitely picking up steam, so she could very well hear her name on Oscar nomination morning.<BR/>Lastly, I know the SAGs have only existed for a little more than a decade, but from a historical standpoint, they usually match up with AMPAS pretty closely, don't they?changetheworld360https://www.blogger.com/profile/13420830719350865584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-50686464105633784482008-12-18T21:46:00.000-05:002008-12-18T21:46:00.000-05:00I would consider Streep and Hathaway locks, honest...I would consider Streep and Hathaway locks, honestly. Streep because she's Streep and Hathaway because of precursors. That NBR win is really significant. Oscar hasn't snubbed an NBR winner since Mia Farrow in "Alice."<BR/><BR/>Nathaniel is right in that among the other three spot, it's a free for all among six actresses (Blanchet, Jolie, Leo, Hawkins Scott Thomas and Winslet). It's so volatile. I absolutely love it.<BR/><BR/>I'm seriously afraid we're going to have a Keisha Castle Hughes situation with Dev Patel. His supporting nod at the SAGs may translate as a surprise lead actor nod come Oscar time. And best actor is so crowded, he'll likely rob someone more deserving of a nomination. Especially if he AND Eastwood get in. Yikes.The Pretentious Know it Allhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13279181033628364368noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-72247825433743951182008-12-18T21:31:00.000-05:002008-12-18T21:31:00.000-05:00I think that this SAG nomination was all that Dev ...I think that this SAG nomination was all that Dev Patel needed to jump to that fifth slot for supporting actor that one of the "Milk" guys (Franco or Hirsch) could never seem to really materialize. It wasn't going to Michael Shannon, or to Bill Irwin either (dammit), and I don't buy that it's blatant category fraud for Patel (the supporting placement can be justified -- I think it's fine and similar to the three Brionys in "Atonement") or that it's only a "SAG LOVES CHILDREN!" reduction. If voters love "Slumdog Millionaire" (which it seems they do), Patel could easily get thrown in there for the ride, and I'd be happy to see that happen. It's one of my favorite films of the year, and I'm glad that it's being received in this way. And like it or not, the Academy's trying to diversify their roster with some new and foreign names now. That helps him greatly too. I'm not saying he has any chance of winning (that Oscar has Heath Ledger's name on it now, regardless of if "TDK" gets into BP, which I'm starting to think sadly won't make it in now), but a nomination's happening, and a SAG nod was all I needed to pencil him in over James Franco. The rest (Brolin, RDJ, Hoffman, and Ledger) seems locked and loaded now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-91954755333762508392008-12-18T20:58:00.000-05:002008-12-18T20:58:00.000-05:00But Nate, These 4 women are nominated for both a G...But Nate, These 4 women are nominated for both a Globe and a SAG. They have also been nominated for almost everything. Leo has a SAG nod but not a Globe nod. Thomas the other way around. Hawkins, the same as Thomas. I don't agree that there are 7 that trade places each time. There are 4 steady choices and there are 3 (4 with Blanchett but she is not an issue anymore I think) who trade places.<BR/><BR/><BR/>JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-66597194543677950882008-12-18T20:41:00.000-05:002008-12-18T20:41:00.000-05:00jim how could there be 4 locks for best actress wh...<B>jim</B> how could there be 4 locks for best actress when there's still 7 candidates who keep showing up in lineups? 7 people in play indicates a broad spread of opinion (like in 2003... only not as severe since this year doesn't have two clear leaders like 2003 did in Theron & Keaton) which means almost anyone might be vulnerable to a shocking snub.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-48985327291303698552008-12-18T20:04:00.000-05:002008-12-18T20:04:00.000-05:00PICTURE1. Slumdog Millionaire (I wonder if they're...PICTURE<BR/>1. Slumdog Millionaire (I wonder if they're still going to try to sell it as the underdog)<BR/>2. The Curious Case of Benjamin Button<BR/>3. Frost/Nixon<BR/>4. Milk<BR/>5. This is where it gets interesting... I think it could be The Dark Knight or The Reader... However, currently my #5 predix right now is WALL·E, my favourite movie of the year and I'm guessing it'll have a lot of #1 placements.<BR/><BR/>ACTOR<BR/>1, 2 and 3: Rourke, Penn and Langella...<BR/>4. Brad Pitt (returning to my predix after months of absence)<BR/>5. Leonardo DiCaprio, Jenkins or Eastwood could all make it. Eaastwood got the Oscar nom for MDB even after SAG and GG snubs. Jenkins could get in just as Gosling got in in 2006. However, I still think DiCaprio is barely holding on...<BR/><BR/>ACTRESS<BR/>1. Meryl Streep<BR/>2. Anne Hathaway<BR/>3. Kate Winslet<BR/>4. Angelina Jolie (when I think of it this performance is a lot more awards-friendly than her tour de force in A Mighty Heart)<BR/>5. Hawkins, Leo or Scott-Thomas. It's the Independent Slot! Remember Emily Watson got in in 2006 which could mean Scott-Thomas. However, I still think Hawkins is number 5.<BR/>NOTE: I knew the Blanchett stories would never materialize!<BR/><BR/>S. Actor<BR/>1. The Joker :P<BR/>2. PSH<BR/>3. Josh Brolin<BR/>4. Robert Downey, Jr.<BR/>5. Franco or Patel... I'm leaning towards Franco... SAG LOVES THEIR CHILDREN!!!!<BR/><BR/>S. Actress<BR/>1. Penélope<BR/>2. Viola<BR/>3. Kate<BR/>4 and 5 could go to either Tomei, Henson or Adams. I am currently leaning towards Adams and Henson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-90494431260846334162008-12-18T18:59:00.000-05:002008-12-18T18:59:00.000-05:00For the Supporting Actress category I think Adams,...For the Supporting Actress category I think Adams, Tomei,DeWitt and Henson are all on Shaky grounds.<BR/><BR/>I love Taraji and would love to see her get a nomination, but she didn't get a Globe nod and she's only won one critic award.<BR/><BR/>Tomei and DeWitt are Winning Critics awards but they each either didn't get the Globe or SAG nod.<BR/><BR/>Adams- Haven't won any critics awards, but she has both SAG and Globe nods. But will people vote her #1 on the Oscar list I highly Doubt it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Viola, Cruz and Winslet (if they don't see fraud) are the only locks in this category.<BR/><BR/>Tomei, DeWitt, Henson, Adams in that order (of liklihood).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-25339938219397624052008-12-18T18:29:00.000-05:002008-12-18T18:29:00.000-05:00Nate, I think Hathaway is also a lock. She is in e...Nate, I think Hathaway is also a lock. She is in every list I've seen so far. Winslet and Jolie are 99%.<BR/><BR/><BR/>JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-85480363732751232462008-12-18T17:47:00.000-05:002008-12-18T17:47:00.000-05:00Rick said: on the blog I sent, I truly do not know...Rick said: on the blog I sent, I truly do not know what happened to the lettering... I am not drunk... YET!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-52007365323224621142008-12-18T17:42:00.000-05:002008-12-18T17:42:00.000-05:00iggy...i dunno the heat on Winslet seems to be coo...<B>iggy</B>...<BR/><BR/>i dunno the heat on Winslet seems to be cooling. To me at least it seems like a fan wish only (i include myself as a fan)...<BR/><BR/>i think it's down to cruz vs. davisNATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-77855294292399344822008-12-18T17:38:00.000-05:002008-12-18T17:38:00.000-05:00Damn, I fear for Leonardos Oscar chances now. What...Damn, I fear for Leonardos Oscar chances now. What lesson will he learn if he's not nominated?<BR/><BR/>Never work with Kate Winslet again!!! She gets nominated when they work together and he doesn't.<BR/><BR/>And really, I don't get the slumdog love. I just don't see how the hell it is a best picture winner so I hope it doesn't go all the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-71510832690588173752008-12-18T17:14:00.000-05:002008-12-18T17:14:00.000-05:00So, at this point in the Oscar Actress (lead &...So, at this point in the Oscar Actress (lead & supporting) race it is Cruz-ial (sorry, I couldn't help it)what happens to Winslet double take. If she gets a lead nod for RR she may become the frontrummer, but if she gets it supporting for The Reader, will she also be the frontrunner? In both categories? So, if she does, Viola Davis and Cruz chances are almost over, but if she misses the nod in lead due to vote split or category confusion, she might also let one spot free for another one. However, I think it will finally be quite standard, and she'll become one of the double nominee club members.<BR/>Anyway, this is crazy. And do you say you do this every year?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-11492892578049556372008-12-18T17:06:00.000-05:002008-12-18T17:06:00.000-05:00Mrripley: On your last blog with wour 4 oredict...Mrripley: On your last blog with wour 4 oredictions... I agree totally..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-34804752955157283382008-12-18T15:28:00.000-05:002008-12-18T15:28:00.000-05:00I believe there are 7 people still in the running...I believe there are 7 people still in the running for all 7 categories.<BR/><BR/>Actor:<BR/>Di Caprio, Jenkins , Langella, Penn, Rourke<BR/>Alt: Pitt, Eastwood (Somehow I think it will either be him or Di Caprio for slot 5, but Leo will get the edge.)<BR/><BR/>Actress:<BR/>Hathaway, Hawkins,Leo, Streep, Winslet<BR/>Alt: Jolie, Scott Thomas<BR/><BR/>Supporting Actor:<BR/>Brolin, Downey Jr. Hoffman, , Ledger, Patel<BR/>Alt: Franco, Shannon (little precursor love)<BR/><BR/>Supporting Actress:<BR/>Cruz, Davis, Henson, Tomei Winslet<BR/>Alt: Adams, Dewitt (poor Dewitt)<BR/><BR/>I believe these are the only real players here for this year's awards. Everyone agree? It is crazy to think that actors from Skins and the Division could be Oscar Nominees next year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-47829313434824350612008-12-18T14:59:00.000-05:002008-12-18T14:59:00.000-05:00oh 1 last thing i have noticed tomei and iwnslet a...oh 1 last thing i have noticed tomei and iwnslet are winning more critics wards cruz seems to have slipped i think winselt wins in supp streep wins lead ledger wins supp and penn wins a 2nd time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-91474822040013681522008-12-18T14:57:00.000-05:002008-12-18T14:57:00.000-05:00could kate become lead just like keisha and samant...could kate become lead just like keisha and samantha in 2003 or a big fat scarlett johansson snub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com