tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post8867604928749615242..comments2024-03-17T10:11:46.952-04:00Comments on Film Experience Blog: Kate's Oscars... 1,2,3,4NATHANIEL Rhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-45580920218643435882008-09-01T21:42:00.000-04:002008-09-01T21:42:00.000-04:00I think (and hope) Meryl will win for Doubt but th...I think (and hope) Meryl will win for Doubt but the Julie & Julia film doesn't seem THAT big to me. So, her next chance will probably be August: Osage County (if she accepts, that is) although it would be very unlikely 2 wins seperated by 2(?) years. Not that it can't happen. But as much as I want Meryl to break the record (and Kate (the sweet one with the K not the cold one with the C -kidding) to win at least 1!!), I don't really believe winning is very important because 1)the reasons usually are unrelated to the actual performance and 2) I prefer the concept of 5 winners (equalizing nom with win) each having done something different than one winner that many would not find the best as it is quite subjective. I hope it made sense :p<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS: Great work Nat (good structure and smart writing)<BR/><BR/> JimAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-79843889684972116152008-08-26T23:36:00.000-04:002008-08-26T23:36:00.000-04:00starf***ing is underrated if you ask me.i wish i h...starf***ing is underrated if you ask me.<BR/><BR/>i wish i had held a real oscar. I mean, I have but <I>someone's</I> like you did. what a pleasure and great story.<BR/><BR/>that gold plating must be cheap though. Only 20+ years later and it looks pretty shabby compared to the ones from the 60sNATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-74641274757725038562008-08-26T20:54:00.000-04:002008-08-26T20:54:00.000-04:00I don't want to come off sounding like a total Sta...I don't want to come off sounding like a total StarFucker but ..... <BR/><BR/>I had the great fortune of meeting Maureen Stapleton a few times and actually went to her house one evening a few years back. <BR/><BR/>I asked if I could hold her Oscar ... she won the same year as Hepburn .... my first thought was that it was so dull and that it didn't look 'golden' but orange.<BR/><BR/>Odd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-35519537503551058082008-08-26T13:09:00.000-04:002008-08-26T13:09:00.000-04:00i have not seen Plenty since 1985 and at the time ...i have not seen Plenty since 1985 and at the time I preferred Out of Africa (which I haven't seen since 1988 or something...)<BR/><BR/>but something tells me i'd prefer PLENTY now... primarily because I still recall a couple of her performance moments in that one 23 years later but her perf in Out of Africa is more of a blur.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-91808572700638960922008-08-26T12:51:00.000-04:002008-08-26T12:51:00.000-04:00nat which streep perf in 85 i prefer plenty.nat which streep perf in 85 i prefer plenty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-4405051097481173552008-08-25T19:29:00.000-04:002008-08-25T19:29:00.000-04:00glenn i've never understood the Kramer vs Kramer b...<B>glenn</B> i've never understood the Kramer vs Kramer being treacly thing. I mean I haven't seen it in years but I remember it being very harsh about failed marriages and love gone awry that maybe wasn't even love to begin with... which doesn't seem exactly comforting.<BR/><BR/>but perhaps i'm remembering it wrong.<BR/><BR/>but that's all mute because the winner definitely shoulda been APOCALYPSE NOW or ALL THAT JAZZ, both difficult breathtaking see them numerous times masterpieces.<BR/><BR/><B>mr ripley</B> you're both right and wrong. i have a lot of undecideds but it's definitely NOT goldberg in 85 or Streep in 95. I have much different favorites those years. Leaning towards Streep in 85 and an eternal battle between Elisabeth Shue and Julianne Moore in 1995<BR/><BR/><B>adam</B> it's 3 for Pfeiffer yes (89,92,02) with possibilities for 1988 and 1983 as well, though I'd have to see her competitors again. I was much less impressed with her work in Dangerous Liaisons the last time I watched it. But yes if I ran the world she'd definitely have three Oscars. So I suppose that's a lot.<BR/><BR/>Other possible 3s include Meryl Streep and Kathleen Turner.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-58835754969608142752008-08-25T16:41:00.000-04:002008-08-25T16:41:00.000-04:00Ryan, you can't double-count Brando for the Godfat...Ryan, you can't double-count Brando for the Godfather and Last Tango because they were in the same year.<BR/><BR/>I'm just going to put it out there that Daniel Day-Lewis could easily get to 4 if he'd make more than one movie every five years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-40269756273822162692008-08-25T11:43:00.000-04:002008-08-25T11:43:00.000-04:00In my imaginary awards world, there would be 12 le...In my imaginary awards world, there would be 12 lead actress double winners.<BR/><BR/>Julie Christie ('07 AWAY FROM HER and '65 DARLING)<BR/>Meryl Streep ('06 THE DEVIL WEARS PRADA and '82 SOPHIE'S CHOICE)<BR/>Julianne Moore ('02 FAR FROM HEAVEN and '95 SAFE)<BR/>Glenn Close ('88 DANGEROUS LIAISONS and '87 FATAL ATTRACTION)<BR/>Shirley MacLaine ('83 TERMS OF ENDEARMENT and '60 THE APARTMENT)<BR/>Diane Keaton ('81 REDS and '77 Annie Hall)<BR/>Ingrid Bergman ('78 AUTUMN SONATA and '46 NOTORIOUS)<BR/>Barbra Streisand ('73 THE WAY WE WERE and '68 FUNNY GIRL)<BR/>Jane Fonda ('71 KLUTE and '69 THEY SHOOT HORSES DON'T THEY?)<BR/>Vivien Leigh ('51 A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE and '39 GONE WITH THE WIND)<BR/>Joan Crawford ('45 MILDRED PIERCE and '32 GRAND HOTEL)<BR/>Barbara Stanwyck ('44 DOUBLE INDEMNITY and '41 BALL OF FIRE)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-10023464609345016322008-08-25T11:11:00.001-04:002008-08-25T11:11:00.001-04:00who wants to do nats supp actress picks.who wants to do nats supp actress picks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-27865735764136522452008-08-25T11:11:00.000-04:002008-08-25T11:11:00.000-04:00my picks of what nat would pick last 30 years1980 ...my picks of what nat would pick last 30 years1980 - 1999<BR/><BR/>78 -fonda<BR/>79 -field<BR/>80 -spacek<BR/>81 -keaton<BR/>82 -streep<BR/>83 -streep<BR/>84 -redgrave<BR/>85 -goldberg<BR/>86 -turner<BR/>87 -cher<BR/>88 -close<BR/>89 -pfeiffer<BR/>90 -huston<BR/>91 -sarandon<BR/>92 -thompson<BR/>93 -hunter<BR/>94 -foster<BR/>95 -streep<BR/>96 -watson<BR/>97 -carter<BR/>98 -montenegro<BR/>99 -winsletAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-50872873741727616062008-08-25T09:31:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:31:00.000-04:00I wish Streep had won for The Deer Hunter instead ...I wish Streep had won for <I>The Deer Hunter</I> instead of <I>Kramer vs Kramer</I>. At least if her Supporting Actress win came for the former I wouldn't be able to be so annoyed about it (I haven't seen <I>The Deer Hunter</I>) but... egads, I hate <I>Kramer vs Kramer</I>. Streep's pretty good but I think I remember preferring Jane Alexander, actually.<BR/><BR/>People constantly rag on <I>Ordinary People</I> simply because it beat <I>Raging Bull</I>, but people should be outraged at the movies that <I>Kramer vs Kramer</I> beat (that'd be <I>All That Jazz</I> and <I>Apocalypse Now</I>). Yet there's never a peep about the treacly <I>KvsK</I>. Presumedly because it stars Dustin Hoffman and Meryl Streep.<BR/><BR/>Sorry - just wanted to get that off my chest.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08194113062830373898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-47387511828626708292008-08-25T09:21:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:21:00.000-04:00And haven't you said that Pfeiffer's won Film Bitc...And haven't you said that Pfeiffer's won Film Bitch awards for these 4 perfs:<BR/><BR/><EM>Dangerous Liasons</EM><BR/><EM>The Fabulous Baker Boys</EM><BR/><EM>Batman Returns</EM><BR/><EM>White Oldeander</EM><BR/><BR/>?<BR/><BR/>That's 4. I may have made up the <EM>Dangerous Liasons</EM> win, but I know you love it, and her. And I'm pretty much 100% sure of the other three.<BR/><BR/>(my point is just that yes, even you seem to have given obscene numbers of trophies to your faves... sorry, I don't let you get away with anything)<BR/><BR/>; )adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-25286536005935475792008-08-25T09:17:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:17:00.000-04:00I also think it's highly likely that Streep will c...I also think it's highly likely that Streep will catch and/or beat Hepburn eventually. As you said, she's still younger than Kate was when she won her SECOND oscar. <BR/><BR/>It's even conceivable that Streep would win twice in a row these next two years, for <EM>Doubt</EM> and <EM>Julie & Julia</EM>. But she'd have to dispatch both Winslet (this year) and Pfeiffer (next) to accomplish that.<BR/><BR/>BUT I don't think anyone will be tying or beating the record of 4 LEAD acting oscars. That one will probably last forever. Streep would need 3 more wins in lead to even tie. I don't see that happening.adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-70085137183871168382008-08-25T09:13:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:13:00.000-04:00But for the record, my Nat-dar says you'd have awa...But for the record, my Nat-dar says you'd have awarded Cher and Glenn Close in 1987 and 1988, respectively. In '81, I have no idea.adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-77445195748610974962008-08-25T09:11:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:11:00.000-04:00Hmm, I dunno, I've paid close attention to your re...Hmm, I dunno, I've paid close attention to your retro awards, Nat, and it sure seems like you'd have given Streep gold a whole bunch of times. Definite gold for <EM>Sophie's Choice</EM>, what seemed like a gold for <EM>Out of Africa/Plenty</EM> (I guess since you disregarded the sentimental reasons to vote for others), and you hedged on 1983, saying Streep and both <EM>Terms of Endearment</EM> girls were all worthy of gold (and with <EM>Silkwood</EM> being your #1 of the year...). And then there's the recent gold for <EM>Devil Wears Prada</EM>, and what I assume was probably a supporting gold for <EM>Kramer v. Kramer</EM>.<BR/><BR/>By my count, that's 4 or 5. And that's without looking to <EM>French Lt's Woman</EM>, <EM>Cry in the Dark</EM>, <EM>Ironweed</EM> and other unknowns.adam k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13485604493059621307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-40358713148057542652008-08-25T07:31:00.000-04:002008-08-25T07:31:00.000-04:00The thing with the academy is that no matter what ...The thing with the academy is that no matter what shocking or novel choices they make from time to time, (be it the nominees or winners) they are too conservative to break away from tradition/previous records. For example, i doubt there will ever be a film that wins over 11 oscars or an actor that wins over 4. Unless Swank wins 7 which means the world will be plunged into eternal darkness and despair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-76685462277140100362008-08-25T06:40:00.000-04:002008-08-25T06:40:00.000-04:00mariposa you frighten us! please assure that you'r...<B>mariposa</B> you frighten us! please assure that you're dreams haven't been premonitory in the past.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-89696257037611679692008-08-25T05:52:00.000-04:002008-08-25T05:52:00.000-04:00runslikeagay good point on the different experienc...<B>runslikeagay</B> good point on the different experience each time. I bed you're right. I almost made this post about something else entirely so maybe i had two different experiences in just one visit. Imagine a third...NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-39943521238704960152008-08-25T05:51:00.000-04:002008-08-25T05:51:00.000-04:00but are you really weighing these multiple winners...but are you really weighing these multiple winners against all the rest of the greats in those years.<BR/><BR/>it's easy for me to say something like Pfeiffer was Oscar worthy 5 times but if i really break down the years I'm not handing her 5 trophies ;)<BR/><BR/>as for Brando. I'll give you STREETCAR and ON THE WATERFRONT but I can't say amen to LAST TANGO IN PARIS. I understand that people love the performance but honestly, I was practically begging for the director to have him reign it in towards the end... a modern equivalent might be Daniel Day-Lewis in THERE WILL BE BLOOD if he had had let that last scene's back row theatrics bleed into more of the previous 2+ hours. <BR/><BR/>and Cal... James Stewart for Anatomy of a Murder? He's good in the picture but BEST of the year? The other three star turns you can make an argument for surely. Good point.NATHANIEL Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11597109147678235399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-4161773747127066792008-08-25T04:34:00.000-04:002008-08-25T04:34:00.000-04:00@ brodie : I just had the most horrific dream wher...@ brodie : I just had the most horrific dream where Hilary Swank was president. The weird thing is that in my dream I only recognised her as "the president", my realization that it was that Skankwoman only came later when I remembered the dream. She was sitting at a desk in Freedom Writers-attire. Brrr...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-17884291046766558872008-08-25T03:10:00.000-04:002008-08-25T03:10:00.000-04:00i do think they will give jack 1 more maybe de nir...i do think they will give jack 1 more maybe de niro or day lewis as for the actresses they will give meryl another surely and maybe judi dench,i always though they would give bette davis one for the whales of august surely on of her best n her later years,jane fonda may get to 3.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-90133829169457967622008-08-25T02:44:00.000-04:002008-08-25T02:44:00.000-04:00I don't want anyone to ever touch Kate's record.An...I don't want anyone to ever touch Kate's record.<BR/><BR/>And since we're tossing out our "shoulda been winnables", my favorite actress in Deborah Kerr, I think was Oscar-worthy in:<BR/><BR/>The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (supporting)<BR/>Black Narcissus (lead)<BR/>The Innocents (lead)<BR/><BR/>and for sentimental reasons:<BR/>Tea and Sympathy<BR/>The Night of the IguanaThe Jaded Armchair Reviewerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05511211427198395696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-56241713484074469592008-08-25T01:06:00.000-04:002008-08-25T01:06:00.000-04:00James Stewart, easily...Harvey, Anatomy of a Murde...James Stewart, easily...<BR/><BR/>Harvey, Anatomy of a Murder, Vertigo and It's a Wonderful LIfe.<BR/><BR/>- cal rothAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-11391285359793899162008-08-25T00:33:00.000-04:002008-08-25T00:33:00.000-04:00If anyone deserves 4 trophies... it's Brando.Easil...If anyone deserves 4 trophies... it's Brando.<BR/><BR/>Easily for...<BR/>"On the Waterfront"<BR/>"The Godfather"<BR/>"Last Tango In Paris"<BR/><BR/>And either...<BR/>"A Streetcar Named Desire" (torn between him and Monty) and “Viva Zapata!”<BR/><BR/>Oh, and while I hope Streep is the one to break/tie Hepburn, currently I'm thinking it'll ultimately be Jack. But someone WILL do it one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8256060.post-20611092696377555892008-08-24T23:41:00.000-04:002008-08-24T23:41:00.000-04:00I think Kate Hepburn was the Best Actress the most...I think Kate Hepburn was the Best Actress the most often. Probably at least four years - I'm not sure which years, but definitely 1938 - Bringing Up Baby; 1940 - Philadelphia Story; 1968 - Lion in Winter; and probably 1935 - Alice Adams or Sylvia Scarlett...<BR/><BR/>There's also the ever-underappreciated Thelma Ritter - who probably deserved more than four: 50 - All About Eve; 53 - Pickup on South Street; 54 - Rear Window; 65 - Boeing Boeing etc.<BR/><BR/>I can't think of any other four time Bests right now but I can think of plenty of three-timers:<BR/>Paul Newman: 1967 - Cool Hand Luke; 1961 - The Hustler; 1963 - Hud<BR/><BR/>Stanwyck: 1944 - Double Indemnity; 1941 - Lady Eve; 1933 - Baby Face<BR/><BR/>Lombard: 1936 - My Man Godfrey; 37 - Nothing Sacred; 42 - To Be or Not to Be<BR/><BR/>Welles: 1941 - Kane; 1949 - Third Man; 1965 - Falstaff<BR/><BR/>Brando: 1951 - Streetcar; 1954 - On the Waterfront; 1972 - Last Tango in Paris (and maybe also 52 - Viva Zapata)<BR/><BR/>Nicholson: 1970 - Five Easy Pieces; 75 - Cuckoo's Nest; 74 - Chinatown<BR/><BR/>Farrow: Rosemary's Baby; Purple Rose of Cairo; Alice... and maybe Hannah and Her Sisters too...<BR/><BR/>and there's also my own personal goddess Emmanuelle Devos who gave my favourite performances of 2004 - Kings and Queen; 96 - My Sex Life or How I Got into an Argument; and very possibly 2008 - Christmas Tale.<BR/><BR/>I already find Streep morbidly overpraised - I don't think she's given my favourite performance of any year - so I do hope she doesn't break Hepburn's record.Y Kant Goran Ritehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03058411467996289416noreply@blogger.com